BlueInCanada Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 33 minutes ago, Treehugger said: Two TDs called back. Yeah the illegal motion one was nuts. The other offside one well that was their own fault lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 Watching the Ravens Oline and seeing Freeman basically rip off runs, makes me want to slap Getty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Only watched a little of the game... it's a great day to stain my house... but Jimmy G looks like straight garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Also, only took us two weeks to own sole possession of the NFC East basement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 Mahomes is just a stupid good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 Also god damn what a horrible day for Zach Wilson. 4 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I just don't understand how teams keep making the same mistakes with QBs. They draft these guys at the top of the draft and throw them to the wolves right away. I think a lot of promising careers have been ruined because GMs and coaches can't let their guy sit and learn a year. I know a lot of it has to do with shortening the learning curve because coaching careers are short for losing teams, but how many of these guys survive their first year and go on to be upper echelon players? I feel like if you have drafted your QB of the future, the first year you should carry 3 qbs. One to play the game, the rookie, and a career backup vet that is constantly in the rookies ear explaining what is happening on the field. I guess a lot of guys do succeed after starting their first year, Kyler Murray played great today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, Virginia Giant said: I just don't understand how teams keep making the same mistakes with QBs. They draft these guys at the top of the draft and throw them to the wolves right away. I think a lot of promising careers have been ruined because GMs and coaches can't let their guy sit and learn a year. I know a lot of it has to do with shortening the learning curve because coaching careers are short for losing teams, but how many of these guys survive their first year and go on to be upper echelon players? I feel like if you have drafted your QB of the future, the first year you should carry 3 qbs. One to play the game, the rookie, and a career backup vet that is constantly in the rookies ear explaining what is happening on the field. I guess a lot of guys do succeed after starting their first year, Kyler Murray played great today. There's no more time to develop in the NFL anymore. You have to win and win right away to keep your job. You see it all the time in the NFL Game and HCs fired after one or two years. When you draft a rookie QB it's no longer let them sit behind the vet and get some experience. It's not draft a rookie QB and they better play and win now or else your out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, BlueInCanada said: There's no more time to develop in the NFL anymore. You have to win and win right away to keep your job. You see it all the time in the NFL Game and HCs fired after one or two years. When you draft a rookie QB it's no longer let them sit behind the vet and get some experience. It's not draft a rookie QB and they better play and win now or else your out the door. Which is what locks the Jets in perpetual hell. If I am an owner, and I hire the coach I think is The Guy, and we draft a QB who we think is The Guy, I give the dude a 5 year contract with the promise he will get the full 5 years no matter what. Might be a rough couple years, might lose some ticket sales, but shit who is going to Jets games? Jags games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Lamar Jackson is just one ugly motherfucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Yeah nowadays you have people giving up on draft picks after 1 or 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 9 hours ago, BronxRik said: Lamar Jackson is just one ugly motherfucker. Robert Griffin III has entered the chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Virginia Giant said: I just don't understand how teams keep making the same mistakes with QBs. They draft these guys at the top of the draft and throw them to the wolves right away. I think a lot of promising careers have been ruined because GMs and coaches can't let their guy sit and learn a year. I know a lot of it has to do with shortening the learning curve because coaching careers are short for losing teams, but how many of these guys survive their first year and go on to be upper echelon players? I feel like if you have drafted your QB of the future, the first year you should carry 3 qbs. One to play the game, the rookie, and a career backup vet that is constantly in the rookies ear explaining what is happening on the field. I guess a lot of guys do succeed after starting their first year, Kyler Murray played great today. This is how I would do it as well. If the Giants fail this year, I think the new GM should keep Judge for another 1-2 years, draft their QB of the future, but get somebody like a Jimmy G to be the starter for a year or two... Garrapollo resuscitates his career, the new rookie has a chance to sit and learn for a while. When you look at many of the all-time greats of this generation... Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady... they all followed this plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 So why is a team like the Lions able to just throw the ball around, get their play makers going. But we just find it one of the hardest things to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 That Tonyen TE Green Bay developed has just come out of no where. Dudes going to be one of the better ones in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 11:22 PM, Virginia Giant said: I just don't understand how teams keep making the same mistakes with QBs. They draft these guys at the top of the draft and throw them to the wolves right away. I think a lot of promising careers have been ruined because GMs and coaches can't let their guy sit and learn a year. I know a lot of it has to do with shortening the learning curve because coaching careers are short for losing teams, but how many of these guys survive their first year and go on to be upper echelon players? I feel like if you have drafted your QB of the future, the first year you should carry 3 qbs. One to play the game, the rookie, and a career backup vet that is constantly in the rookies ear explaining what is happening on the field. I guess a lot of guys do succeed after starting their first year, Kyler Murray played great today. This was the old school way. These coaches have two years to win now so they don't really give a shit anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 7:32 PM, BlueInCanada said: Watching the Ravens Oline and seeing Freeman basically rip off runs, makes me want to slap Getty. I wonder if there was someone in this year's draft the Giants should have taken. I'm sure GD made the right pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 11:22 PM, Virginia Giant said: I just don't understand how teams keep making the same mistakes with QBs. They draft these guys at the top of the draft and throw them to the wolves right away. I think a lot of promising careers have been ruined because GMs and coaches can't let their guy sit and learn a year. I know a lot of it has to do with shortening the learning curve because coaching careers are short for losing teams, but how many of these guys survive their first year and go on to be upper echelon players? I feel like if you have drafted your QB of the future, the first year you should carry 3 qbs. One to play the game, the rookie, and a career backup vet that is constantly in the rookies ear explaining what is happening on the field. I guess a lot of guys do succeed after starting their first year, Kyler Murray played great today. Much of the mentality is GM/Front Office driven, where they believe they need to win in the first four years after the QB has been drafted (where their cap hits are much lower), before they need to give the QB a lucrative contract and hamper the cap in year 5 and beyond. Not saying I agree with their logic but that's what I hear a lot of analysts talk about. Having said that, some qbs take time (a yr or two, e.g. Montana, Esaison, Rivers, Rodgers, Simms took a real long time), but many of the greats were thrown right into the mix to start year 1 of their careers. Aikman, Marino, Elway, Peyton Manning, Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Jim Kelly, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 hours ago, NeMesiS said: I wonder if there was someone in this year's draft the Giants should have taken. I'm sure GD made the right pick. Yes. and also nice blocking by the RG too.....oh that's Zeitler? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 hours ago, mastershake said: Much of the mentality is GM/Front Office driven, where they believe they need to win in the first four years after the QB has been drafted (where their cap hits are much lower), before they need to give the QB a lucrative contract and hamper the cap in year 5 and beyond. Not saying I agree with their logic but that's what I hear a lot of analysts talk about. Having said that, some qbs take time (a yr or two, e.g. Montana, Esaison, Rivers, Rodgers, Simms took a real long time), but many of the greats were thrown right into the mix to start year 1 of their careers. Aikman, Marino, Elway, Peyton Manning, Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Jim Kelly, etc.. I agree with your analysis. The head coach has to adjust to the style of his QB. You know after year two if you have a potentially great QB or not IMHO. Even if he is getting hammered. Some could just escape like Eli or Randall Cunningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 9 hours ago, mastershake said: Yes. and also nice blocking by the RG too.....oh that's Zeitler? lol Well we had to get rid of Zeitler because he can actually block. We can't have none of that here. What kind of message are we sending to the rest of the OLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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