mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pdouble said: Well I guess no reason for me to even watch tonight. It's still worth watching, at the very least to see what a new GM will have to work with in 2022 after the losing season causes DG to get fired in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, mastershake said: I seriously doubt DG drafts OL with the 2nd round pick. Possibly not even the 3rd round as well. DG seems content with our current OL. A GM who thinks he needs OL doesn't pass on Slater or Vera-Tucker when they fall into his lap like that. Decent guys are still out there in the 2nd, but it won't matter for DG. He's going defense all the way with this next pick. Anyhow...it never should have come to this, where we're relying on middle round draft picks to upgrade the OL this year from it's current mediocre state. That's all on DG neglecting it during free agency and then passing on top OL talent in the draft. It's another botched year. Good GMs don't pass on an extra 1st round pick the following year either. What DG did wasn't in a vaccuum and Toney may turn out to be a game changer for us in the same way Saquon is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Pdouble said: Well I guess no reason for me to even watch tonight. Nope how dare you even consider that the Giants might improve this year. Might as well just ignore the season completely and come back in five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Nas said: Good GMs don't pass on an extra 1st round pick the following year either. What DG did wasn't in a vaccuum and Toney may turn out to be a game changer for us in the same way Saquon is. He's setting up the next GM with some good 2022 draft picks, and good talent at WR indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Also day two targets. Sam Cosmi and Wyatt Davis are still there, both guys would start day one on the Oline. Plus there are some round three OL prospects who would be good additions to the team. The Edge guys got picked later in round one so hopefully they wait till round 3. I'm thinking it's OL or LB in round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, mastershake said: He's setting up the next GM with some good 2022 draft picks, and good talent at WR indeed. Well considering he was talking about retiring last year due to his health, I don't see why this is a bad thing. Sounds like you should just take this season off Shakes go find something that makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, BlueInCanada said: Also day two targets. Sam Cosmi and Wyatt Davis are still there, both guys would start day one on the Oline. Plus there are some round three OL prospects who would be good additions to the team. The Edge guys got picked later in round one so hopefully they wait till round 3. I'm thinking it's OL or LB in round 2. Plenty of good OL who will be around at #42 and #76 for DG to pass on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, BlueInCanada said: Well considering he was talking about retiring last year due to his health, I don't see why this is a bad thing. Sounds like you should just take this season off Shakes go find something that makes you happy. It won't be his choice after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, BlueInCanada said: Also day two targets. Sam Cosmi and Wyatt Davis are still there, both guys would start day one on the Oline. Plus there are some round three OL prospects who would be good additions to the team. The Edge guys got picked later in round one so hopefully they wait till round 3. I'm thinking it's OL or LB in round 2. A few good tackles who project to play at guard available too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 At the end of the day, I'm just glad DG is thinking about the future of this team when he's not here. Setting us up with what's likely to be two top 15 1st round picks in 2022 is a positive. I'm looking at the bright side here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, mastershake said: It won't be his choice after this season. Well considering he was probably gone this season regardless I don't see why it's a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, BlueInCanada said: Well considering he was probably gone this season regardless I don't see why it's a bad thing. It won't be his choice. He'll be canned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pdouble said: A few good tackles who project to play at guard available too. Yeah even soke third round guys have decent grades on them. There wasn't any big name OL this year. After Sewell the OL group is all just basically the same blob of talent. Glad the Giants didn't pick one at #11 and decided to get a draft haul instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, mastershake said: It won't be his choice. He'll be canned. Probably not since his contract was done with this year and he's been talking about retirement regardless. Even if the Giants have a winning year DG probably steps down and we let the guy they brought in from Carolina? Be the new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: Yeah even soke third round guys have decent grades on them. There wasn't any big name OL this year. After Sewell the OL group is all just basically the same blob of talent. Glad the Giants didn't pick one at #11 and decided to get a draft haul instead. There is also the possibility picks play better than where they were drafted, or players on the team improving. After the draft people are always already calling mid rounders future stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: Probably not since his contract was done with this year and he's been talking about retirement regardless. Even if the Giants have a winning year DG probably steps down and we let the guy they brought in from Carolina? Be the new GM. Right...either way he leaves us in good draft position for 2022 with two top 15 picks (after the losing season this year). I can't wait to see the next GM build a component OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Pdouble said: There is also the possibility picks play better than where they were drafted, or players on the team improving. I mean you have to assume that Judge and company convinced DG and Mara they didn't need an Oline. It's as much on the coaching staff as it is DG and Mara we are rolling with who we have. Like I said before it's a make or break year for the Giants. Can't wait. Or I guess I should just assume this team is going to be 1-16 and hate everything about this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 I didn’t realize that the guy who recruited Toney to Florida out of high school is on Judge’s staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Pdouble said: There is also the possibility picks play better than where they were drafted, or players on the team improving. I think that is the key thing. I suspect.... if the young OL guys weren't putting in the work and giving the staff reason to believe they'll keep improving, the OL would be much more of a priority than we've seen. I know it doesn't always proceed on a linear track, but they started last year as a historically bad unit, and at some point about midseason improved substantially to the below-average realm.... they have to be looking at that progression and expecting it to continue. Its the only thing that makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: I mean you have to assume that Judge and company convinced DG and Mara they didn't need an Oline. It's as much on the coaching staff as it is DG and Mara we are rolling with who we have. Like I said before it's a make or break year for the Giants. Can't wait. Or I guess I should just assume this team is going to be 1-16 and hate everything about this season. This is precisely what happened. I say again, they deluded themselves into thinking they can work with this LT: Thomas LG: Lemieux C: Gates RG: Hernandez RT: Peart Backups: Harrison, Fulton, Solder I can already tell you right now what's going to happen too...one of these guys is going to get hurt fairly early on, and when the OL inevitably sucks, we will be blaming the injury...not the GM...especially if it's Thomas or Gates hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, CrazedDogs said: I think that is the key thing. I suspect.... if the young OL guys weren't putting in the work and giving the staff reason to believe they'll keep improving, the OL would be much more of a priority than we've seen. I know it doesn't always proceed on a linear track, but they started last year as a historically bad unit, and at some point about midseason improved substantially to the below-average realm.... they have to be looking at that progression and expecting it to continue. Its the only thing that makes sense to me. Relying on one or two new/inexperienced OL to improve dramatically...that's fine. Relying on four to five to improve dramatically is the failed giants formula of the last several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, mastershake said: Toney will likely be a good pro. Unfortunately he'll be playing with another inept Giants OL for the 7th year in a row, that can't block on another 10 loss team this season. maybe you should take a short break Shakes ....this O line obsession of yours is eating you up ! ....and this is a more talented , better coached team than 6 wins IMHO regards UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, mastershake said: This is precisely what happened. I say again, they deluded themselves into thinking they can work with this LT: Thomas LG: Lemieux C: Gates RG: Hernandez RT: Peart Backups: Harrison, Fulton, Solder I can already tell you right now what's going to happen too...one of these guys is going to get hurt fairly early on, and when the OL inevitably sucks, we will be blaming the injury...not the GM...especially if it's Thomas or Gates hurt. So you know the rest of the draft picks, the injuries and the results of next season, got those mega millions numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, UK-Giantsfan said: maybe you should take a short break Shakes ....this O line obsession of yours is eating you up ! ....and this is a more talented , better coached team than 6 wins IMHO regards UK I'm sick and tired of watching the same mediocre OL and offense in general year in year out, and then ending every season bewildered that we can't put together a competent OL. Year 4 of DG's tenure, where we knew going in that OL was an issue way back in 2018, and we're still going into the 2021 season relying on four guys in the 2nd year at their positions + Will Hernandez (or possibly plus a mid round pick, but I doubt it). This is what I might expect in year 2 of a GM...not year 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Pdouble said: So you know the rest of the draft picks, the injuries and the results of next season, got those mega millions numbers? Even without a potential injury, going into the season relying on four starters in year 2 at their positions to all turn it on + Will Hernandez (or a mid round draft pick) to figure it out is wishful thinking. As far as knowing the rest of the draft picks...I'm telling you, if DG and the Giants weren't content with their current OL, they would not have a) Spent FA premium assets on everything but the OL and then b) Passed on Slater or Vera-Tucker when they fell into their laps. If DG and the GIants thought OL was a big need, they wouldn't have done this. 97% certain picks #42 and #76 will be defense...maybe, maybe #76 could be a TE if Hunter Long falls, or if they find themselves believing in Tommy Tremble. Only a very small, remote likelihood that they draft OL with the next two picks. As far as rounds 4-6. That's where I'd bet on the OL pick...in their view, for depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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