Sephiroth Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I've watched some film on him... some people have him going before Quinnen Williams. He definitely makes some plays but he also seems to get pushed back or stalemated by bigger guards (which are all the NFL is). I think he might be a nice player at 17 if we wanna take a chance on him at DE but I'll be pissed if we draft him at 6... especially if Williams is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 His pro day put him inside the top 5. Guy is as fast as a WR and as agile as a RB. He was always the second best DT in the draft, some are saying he's more the Darnold of the draft, Williams is more of a Suh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I've watched some film on him... some people have him going before Quinnen Williams. He definitely makes some plays but he also seems to get pushed back or stalemated by bigger guards (which are all the NFL is). I think he might be a nice player at 17 if we wanna take a chance on him at DE but I'll be pissed if we draft him at 6... especially if Williams is still there. He played out of position at NT.I think he's the pick at 6 with Devin Bush at 17 they'll have a DL with 5t-Hill NT-Tomlinson 3t-Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 His pro day put him inside the top 5. Guy is as fast as a WR and as agile as a RB. He was always the second best DT in the draft, some are saying he's more the Darnold of the draft, Williams is more of a Suh. Well if he can throw like Darnold I say we take a shot at him as the heir apparent to Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Well if he can throw like Darnold I say we take a shot at him as the heir apparent to Eli. We just traded our best QB to the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I'd be very happy with Oliver at #6. Then likely the Giants get their QB at 17 with either Jones or Lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 I'd be very happy with Oliver at #6. Then likely the Giants get their QB at 17 with either Jones or Lock. Not interested in either of those guys, but I guess if I had to take one I'd take Lock. I have absolutely zero interest in Jones and don't know where all of this love is coming from; he's shown very little on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Not interested in either of those guys, but I guess if I had to take one I'd take Lock. I have absolutely zero interest in Jones and don't know where all of this love is coming from; he's shown very little on the field. I believe all his work outs and pro days he's been one of the best performing QBs of the group. As much as I want the Giants to go DL/LB or DL/OL with pick 6 and 17, I think they do end up taking a QB in the first. Would be a nice surprise if they don't and wait till round 2. I think Grier would be well with a year or two on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Not interested... come from a really small school and didnt put up good numbers against mediocre competitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 If Oliver lands with a team that uses him to his strengths he may be the most productive pass rusher in this class. If he lands with a team that plays base two gap d up front, and square pegs Oliver in that role, he'll do nothing. I think 6 is a bit early, but no chance he's still there at 17. I like him a lot though, if they say he's bpa at 6 I can get on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 I believe all his work outs and pro days he's been one of the best performing QBs of the group. I think you're right but honestly I don't understand this either. I don't understand the logic of drafting a guy so high who did little in college or at the Senior Bowl but looked really good throwing in shorts to uncovered receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 His stats were lousy, but Jones' college highlights are pretty decent, the workout numbers are very good, and he's been well coached. NFL teams will see something to work with there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 His stats were lousy, but Jones' college highlights are pretty decent, the workout numbers are very good, and he's been well coached. NFL teams will see something to work with there. I mean honestly, that's even worse. He had an NFL style offense and good coaching and still couldn't get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I mean honestly, that's even worse. He had an NFL style offense and good coaching and still couldn't get it done. College success does not statistically translate to NFL success, even basing it off pure stats alone. I'm not saying that means Jones will be a starter in the NFL, but looking at drafting a QB just on stats or wins alone isn't enough nor is it even a good indicator if the QB will even be a starter in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I mean honestly, that's even worse. He had an NFL style offense and good coaching and still couldn't get it done. I'm not big on Jones.... but, supposedly Duke vs. ACC competition gets him some serious degree of difficulty points. I don't know, maybe he's awesome and was just on a comparatively shit team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 I think I like this kid's analysis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LupWd8cCuE4 He says that unequivocally, without a doubt, both of these guys throw the ball better than Ed Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Duke also has some pretty bad talent around Jones if put you Jones on Ohio St he's putting up similar numbers to Haskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 I know there is the thought of Oliver as a 4-3 3-tech at the next level. I think he has the athleticism I'd want to take a chance on as the Giants' 3-4 5-tech...Watt-like upside with his hand in the dirt there, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Tiring of the analysis...just want to see who we get and how they perform...and then bitch about them later. With only Barkley to get behind for now...you gotta hope for some fresh blood in there to rally the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I know there is the thought of Oliver as a 4-3 3-tech at the next level. I think he has the athleticism I'd want to take a chance on as the Giants' 3-4 5-tech...Watt-like upside with his hand in the dirt there, IMO. I would have loved to see more of a dominance playing the type of competition he was up against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I know there is the thought of Oliver as a 4-3 3-tech at the next level. I think he has the athleticism I'd want to take a chance on as the Giants' 3-4 5-tech...Watt-like upside with his hand in the dirt there, IMO. I think that will be his best position. Anything where he's asked to penetrate will work though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I know there is the thought of Oliver as a 4-3 3-tech at the next level. I think he has the athleticism I'd want to take a chance on as the Giants' 3-4 5-tech...Watt-like upside with his hand in the dirt there, IMO. For the Giants it would be a 4i/5t they basically use two 5t's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 You know, if we drafted Ed Oliver he could run some stunts to rush the passer. We could call it the "Oliver Twist." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 ::groaaaaan:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 The latest NFL.com mock has Josh Allen at #6 and Ed Oliver at 17... if we get these two guys, I may just wet my pants: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001026047/article/2019-nfl-mock-draft-with-a-twist-what-teams-should-do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now