BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I knew he wasn't a runner.... I didn't know he was going to slack off leading up to the combine & draft. I don't think he's naturally a 5+ second 40 guy.... he looked better than that scrambling back in college.... its the work ethic that concerns me, not that he ran a 5 sec 40. I'd like to know where you get that idea about slacking off and work ethic. Oh he ran a bad 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 who's catching my eye? Every damn defensive lineman running today. OMG, I've never seen so many huge guys run under 4.7. It's the new norm of the NFL. Offenses in college are getting quicker, so it's happening on the NFL. Now the defenses are catching up. In a few years time we'll see the return of the grind it put offensewith big lumber players on offense since they can push around these smaller faster defensive players. seems to always swing that way in the NFL every 10 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I'd like to know where you get that idea about slacking off and work ethic. Oh he ran a bad 40. Eh, maybe I should walk that back a bit.... I just thought he was faster than that, but maybe I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 It's the new norm of the NFL. Offenses in college are getting quicker, so it's happening on the NFL. Now the defenses are catching up. In a few years time we'll see the return of the grind it put offensewith big lumber players on offense since they can push around these smaller faster defensive players. seems to always swing that way in the NFL every 10 years or so. I posted that before I saw Sweat run. 260 lbs, 4.41 sec 40. I think there's an unusual number of talented DL this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 DK Metcalfs performance was unreal. If that dude can translate it to the pro level, hell be Julio Jones-esque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I posted that before I saw Sweat run. 260 lbs, 4.41 sec 40. I think there's an unusual number of talented DL this year. . Yeah, I saw that... unbelievable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Daniel Jones and Will Grier look like good QB selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Daniel Jones and Will Grier look good QB selections. I'd used a second or a trade back into the second for Jones. The thing about this drag the big five performers, Murray, Taylor, Allen, Boca, Williams, will all be gone by pick six. These guys are the Barkley of the Draft, instead the Giants will have to settle for someone in the next tier down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I'd used a second or a trade back into the second for Jones. The thing about this drag the big five performers, Murray, Taylor, Allen, Boca, Williams, will all be gone by pick six. These guys are the Barkley of the Draft, instead the Giants will have to settle for someone in the next tier down. I would just go with Daniel Jones at #6. Dont even mess around with the Phins or Skins potentially jumping up ahead of us. Other teams late in the 1st might also be in on a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I'd used a second or a trade back into the second for Jones. The thing about this drag the big five performers, Murray, Taylor, Allen, Boca, Williams, will all be gone by pick six. These guys are the Barkley of the Draft, instead the Giants will have to settle for someone in the next tier down. I originally thought we were picking sixth in a five player draft, but now I'm not so sure. Now post combine, and after getting to see some film of a lot of these guys, I think there are six defensive linemen/edge rushers alone that are worth top 6 picks. Throw in Metcalf, Murray, arguably Haskins, I'm even forgetting a couple guys, and now I don't think 6th is a bad place to pick. Good, deep draft this year. Can't wait to see how we screw this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I originally thought we were picking sixth in a five player draft, but now I'm not so sure. Now post combine, and after getting to see some film of a lot of these guys, I think there are six defensive linemen/edge rushers alone that are worth top 6 picks. Throw in Metcalf, Murray, arguably Haskins, I'm even forgetting a couple guys, and now I don't think 6th is a bad place to pick. Good, deep draft this year. Can't wait to see how we screw this up. It's deep for mid level talent. The problem with these fast DEs is that all they are fast, as we seen with guys like Osi you just run yourself put of the play with that speed. I don't even want to take one of these DEs at six unless Allen falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I would just go with Daniel Jones at #6. Dont even mess around with the Phins or Skins potentially jumping up ahead of us. Other teams late in the 1st might also be in on a qb. Naww fuck that Jones is a sit behind your starter for a few years guy, you don't take him at six. If the Giants can trade back into the teens then pull the trigger.on Jones. Which is what I hope happens at this point honestly. Get an extra second and pick up a third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Unless we trade for a QB (unlikely), I say go with Haskins as hes the best QB in the draft (assuming hes even there at 6)... and uf u have to trade with the Jets to make it happen, so be it.... as much as we want other talent, the qb situation is dire.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 Good, deep draft this year. Can't wait to see how we screw this up. Well, we got rid of Marc Ross so there's nowhere to go but up. Last year, we had the double black-swan event of having two third round picks actually contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 It's deep for mid level talent. The problem with these fast DEs is that all they are fast, as we seen with guys like Osi you just run yourself put of the play with that speed. I don't even want to take one of these DEs at six unless Allen falls. Allen is my dream pick, that guy is going to be really productive in the NFL. And I wasn't just talking about DEs, the interior linemen are beasts too. I don't think Quinnen Williams makes it anywhere near the 6th pick, nor does Bosa (I'd take Williams over Allen.... probably not Bosa though). That leaves Josh Allen (my favorite of the bunch), Montez Sweat (not just a combine warrior, he had 10 sacks in the SEC), then you get into three or four more guys that are about the same level as Bradley Chubb, the 5th overall last season (Rashad Gary, Ed Oliver, the Clemson DT whose name I'm drawing a blank on). Unless we trade for a QB (unlikely), I say go with Haskins as hes the best QB in the draft (assuming hes even there at 6)... and uf u have to trade with the Jets to make it happen, so be it.... as much as we want other talent, the qb situation is dire.... Its not that dire. I'm not going to throw the remote if they pick a QB, but its way easier to improve other parts of the roster than it is QB. The way this draft is shaping up, they could be picking starters with the 1st and 2nd round choices, maybe even 4th round selections (which is as much a comment on how thin the Giants roster is as it is a comment on the depth of the draft class). If a QB is picked in there, its more of a roll of the dice that he'll ever be starter material or an upgrade to Eli. One thing Gettleman has been public about is his intent to follow the 'KC Model' for QB succession. So I think they pick a QB, but we're still playing Eli in 2019 regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I posted that before I saw Sweat run. 260 lbs, 4.41 sec 40. I think there's an unusual number of talented DL this year. Like seriously wtf?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I remember you and Kittle. And that Two years ago the list I wanted was: Lamp Cunningham Perine Kittle Brantley We ended up with: Engram Tomlinson Webb Gallman Moss Honestly, while we hit on a few of those players, I'd rather we had drafted the guys I wanted. I remember that.....and yeah...year picks are spot on. C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Allen is my dream pick, that guy is going to be really productive in the NFL. And I wasn't just talking about DEs, the interior linemen are beasts too. I don't think Quinnen Williams makes it anywhere near the 6th pick, nor does Bosa (I'd take Williams over Allen.... probably not Bosa though). That leaves Josh Allen (my favorite of the bunch), Montez Sweat (not just a combine warrior, he had 10 sacks in the SEC), then you get into three or four more guys that are about the same level as Bradley Chubb, the 5th overall last season (Rashad Gary, Ed Oliver, the Clemson DT whose name I'm drawing a blank on). Its not that dire. I'm not going to throw the remote if they pick a QB, but its way easier to improve other parts of the roster than it is QB. The way this draft is shaping up, they could be picking starters with the 1st and 2nd round choices, maybe even 4th round selections (which is as much a comment on how thin the Giants roster is as it is a comment on the depth of the draft class). If a QB is picked in there, its more of a roll of the dice that he'll ever be starter material or an upgrade to Eli. One thing Gettleman has been public about is his intent to follow the 'KC Model' for QB succession. So I think they pick a QB, but we're still playing Eli in 2019 regardless. Lol I like how you disagreed with me about the dire part but agreed with my argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Lol I like how you disagreed with me about the dire part but agreed with my argument... I don't agree with the trade up part. The rest of it is solid, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I don't agree with the trade up part. The rest of it is solid, LOL Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 How about that offensive tackle from Alabama. Hes solid for a top 10 pick. Longtime starter in the league who can start at RT right away, and eventually move to LT down the road. Im not sure our QB of the future is in this draft. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jonah-williams?id=32195749-4c13-2676-fb3e-2b3d97cbfc66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 How about that offensive tackle from Alabama. Hes solid for a top 10 pick. Longtime starter in the league who can start at RT right away, and eventually move to LT down the road. Im not sure our QB of the future is in this draft. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jonah-williams?id=32195749-4c13-2676-fb3e-2b3d97cbfc66 Yeah Jonah WIlliams shot past Taylor in my book for best OT in the draft after the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Yeah Jonah WIlliams shot past Taylor in my book for best OT in the draft after the combine. He seems like a solid pick, and we desperately need OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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