NeMesiS Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I thought Hernandez was fine...also it's still only pre-season, game 2. But yeah, 7-9 or 8-8 is likely with this team this year. I thought he was good... if you look at the tape nothing I though jumps out at me in terms of mistakes. Maybe miscommunication between him and the center on one stunt played. Other than that... nothing that time doesnt fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Yeah as optimistic as I am, the schedule is brutal. Like how the hell are we gonna move the ball on Jacksonville the first time we are running a new offense with new o-line parts? Even if they do a good job its still likely a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 16-0 Brutal schedule every year and we're going to crush everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Happy Birthday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Yeah as optimistic as I am, the schedule is brutal. Like how the hell are we gonna move the ball on Jacksonville the first time we are running a new offense with new o-line parts? Even if they do a good job its still likely a loss we just wait for Bortles to throw a critical INT or to crumble under pressure like he does 99% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Its not 2017 anymore. We cant just ignore everything he did last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Its not 2017 anymore. We cant just ignore everything he did last year He had a above average year for a guy who should be at a point where he's above average. He's Alex Smith with a better run game and defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Im not saying hes a star, but when you go 21:13, 60%, 12th in QBR during the regular season, then go on a playoff run where you dont turn the ball over, throw multiple 4th down tds, go toe to toe with roethlisberger in Pittsburg when your defense doesnt show up, and are a bad call away from beating the pats in the afccg, youve earned a change in the narrative about your ability as a qb. And sneaky fact about last years team is that their running game wasnt that great. Itll improve this year with norwell, but all they did was run the ball more often and upgrade the running back. The line still wasnt very good and the efficiency numbers werent there either. Their rushing dvoa was 12th and their passing dvoa was 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I'll go with poor if it is based on the NFL grading system. The NFL hangs grades on guys prior to the draft and players receiving 50 were considered NFL backups. It's not. PFF use their own grading systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 with the Giants sitting at #2 in the waiver wire order ....i'm still half expecting that we can hire somebody after the cuts to 53 that will upgrade the RHS of our bloody line Only if they're going to play for free. We have something like 800K under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Also, looking back at the last game, I'm not quite sure what more you'd want out of Hernandez. Stonewalled his man on every pass rush and even on the QB sneak he pushed his man 3 yards into the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Only if they're going to play for free. We have something like 800K under the cap. We will be making cuts too you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I don't understand the big deal about going over the cap...whats the penalty? They should go over the cap...spend on all the best players...have a payroll of 400 million and annihilate every team and win the super bowl every year. Gove out one year deal's worth 20 million and upgrade the following year..keep doing the same going forward Salary caps are so fucking stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 You cant go over and pay a luxury tax like the nba. You just cant go over it or they start giving crazy fines and taking away draft picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I don't understand the big deal about going over the cap...whats the penalty? They should go over the cap...spend on all the best players...have a payroll of 400 million and annihilate every team and win the super bowl every year. Gove out one year deal's worth 20 million and upgrade the following year..keep doing the same going forward Salary caps are so fucking stupid I don't think you can start the season over the cap. Point of the salary cap is to maintain a level of competitive parity between teams in large markets and small markets. Unfortunately there are some other problems the salary cap creates but that is another thread for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 You cant go over and pay a luxury tax like the nba. You just cant go over it or they start giving crazy fines and taking away draft picksso fucking stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeMeSomeFoodHo Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I don't think you can start the season over the cap. Point of the salary cap is to maintain a level of competitive parity between teams in large markets and small markets. Unfortunately there are some other problems the salary cap creates but that is another thread for another day. there is no such thing as a small market team....small markets don't get professional sports teams. Now I know you're talking about relevance to other NFL teams...and yes ny is a much larger market than Jacksonville...but Jacksonville is hillbilly central...aka football central .Friday, Saturday, Sunday is all football in places like Jacksonville. So, the NASCAR watching, trailer park living, non dentist going people of Jacksonville spend money on football football football...kind of evens things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I don't understand the big deal about going over the cap...whats the penalty? They should go over the cap...spend on all the best players...have a payroll of 400 million and annihilate every team and win the super bowl every year. Gove out one year deal's worth 20 million and upgrade the following year..keep doing the same going forward Salary caps are so fucking stupid That would ruin the game as we know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 That would ruin the game as we know it. Yeah look at the NBA, Golden State is gonna win the next two or three titles and there isn't a single thing any other team can do about it. But who needs parity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Yeah look at the NBA, Golden State is gonna win the next two or three titles and there isn't a single thing any other team can do about it. But who needs parity? Exactly. The NBA is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 That would ruin the game as we know it. Yeah, the only reason the NFL is interesting is the parity. What they shouldn't have capped was how much players could voluntarily practice at team facilities during the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 Yeah, the only reason the NFL is interesting is the parity. What they shouldn't have capped was how much players could voluntarily practice at team facilities during the offseason. I believe it was the NFLPA who pushed that, the players didnt want to be around in the off season as much. I think if they are a rookie they should be able to spend as much time at the facilities as they want, fuck let them live there 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 They did push for that, against the wishes of some of their more notable players. A majority of lesser players wanted to put a limit on how good the more dedicated players could get. In my view it reads like horrendous people making horrendous decisions. …... Back to the subject of Hernandez, check out the two clips at the top of this article.... motherfucker is dominating. Check out what he does to Leonard Williams in pass pro in particular. https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/8/25/17781426/rookie-stock-report-card-how-giants-rookies-played-vs-jets-will-hernandez-bj-hill-grant-haley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 They did push for that, against the wishes of some of their more notable players. A majority of lesser players wanted to put a limit on how good the more dedicated players could get. In my view it reads like horrendous people making horrendous decisions. ... Back to the subject of Hernandez, check out the two clips at the top of this article.... motherfucker is dominating. Check out what he does to Leonard Williams in pass pro in particular. https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/8/25/17781426/rookie-stock-report-card-how-giants-rookies-played-vs-jets-will-hernandez-bj-hill-grant-haley Good read... thanks NSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 His tenacity is really something. that was against a guy with the roster already made, but still, Jets DL aren't slouches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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