NeMesiS Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Im reading our scouting report on the WR, RB and TE position. This team has some speed at skills position... even at the TE position... Come on OLine... we can do some serious damage!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Yeah this offence has amazing potential. If Barkley is anywhere near as good as projected, combined with Odell, Shepard, Evans, Eli etc, it will be very difficult to stop them. On paper this O-line is improved. The only question is by how much? I'm thinking just having a competent LT alone should be a dramatic improvement. Of course Flowers transition to RT is a huge question mark. But even if he stays the same, at least now Eli will be able to see it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Well, adding Solder upgraded LT, shifting Flowers over improves RT (because Hart made Flowers look good). On the inside it's a bit more tenuous, with a rookie, a couple John Jerry caliber players (Jerry, Omemeh), and a man shorter than me at center. I still think the line will be average at best, at least at the outset, but that may be good enough. The depth worries me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 That's true NSA, I didn't think about how Flowers was an upgrade over Hart, so even if Flowers still kinda sucks, its still an improvement. Hernandez obviously has a lot to prove, but I'm not worried about him at all. Kid is a beast with a mean streak. Has a great chance to be one of the most dominant interior linemen we have had in a long time. This group doesn't have to be the most dominant line in the league. If we can get them to be a little better then average, the talent around them should be able to do their jobs well. Also agree depth could very well be a big issue. Crossing fingers that these guys can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Well, adding Solder upgraded LT, shifting Flowers over improves RT (because Hart made Flowers look good). On the inside it's a bit more tenuous, with a rookie, a couple John Jerry caliber players (Jerry, Omemeh), and a man shorter than me at center. I still think the line will be average at best, at least at the outset, but that may be good enough. The depth worries me though. Yeah, league average would be an upgrade. Hopefully its enough for Eli and the skill guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Yeah, on paper, I don't recall ever having a better set of skill position players at every skill position than we do now (WR, RB, TE). You might argue WR is thin once you get past ODB and Sterlinh Shepherd, but considering the passing threat posed by Engram and Barkley, along with the potential for Latimer or Russel Shepard to step up, I think this argument is nitpicking at best. Realistically, you would expect ODB, Shep, and Engram to have at least ~60-70 catches each, and if Barkley has around 50-60 himself, there's not many touches leftover for a 3rd WR; maybe 20-30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I think the OL has been addressed... period. even Jones at center is being pushed out by someone better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I think the OL has been addressed... period. even Jones at center is being pushed out by someone better... I thought Jones was an upgrade over Richburg, when he replaced Richburg last year...so if Halapio is beating out Jones, that seems to be a further upgrade to me. Sidenote: I can't believe the 49ers gave Richburg a 48 million dollar contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I thought Jones was an upgrade over Richburg, when he replaced Richburg last year...so if Halapio is beating out Jones, that seems to be a further upgrade to me. Sidenote: I can't believe the 49ers gave Richburg a 48 million dollar contract. Exactly my point on the center position.... Outside of the NFC east teams, the one team I loath the most is the 9ers... mainly because of the flaky fanbase... never heard of any of them till the 9ers started winning a few years ago... then they disappeared again... good fucking riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Well all the so-called experts are jumping back on the bandwagon starting this summer so get ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Exactly my point on the center position.... Outside of the NFC east teams, the one team I loath the most is the 9ers... mainly because of the flaky fanbase... never heard of any of them till the 9ers started winning a few years ago... then they disappeared again... good fucking riddance. They've resurfaced. They think Jimmy G is the second coming of Montana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 They've resurfaced. They think Jimmy G is the second coming of Montana Jimmy already said he thought he was better than that old guy still QB-ing the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It will be a better offensive line than we have fielded in years. Just two points: We are thin at the tackle position going into the season. Will Hernandez is going to struggle at some point during the season because he is a rookie but we have depth at guard. My only concern is the defense this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Jimmy already said he thought he was better than that old guy still QB-ing the Patriots. thats a bit out of context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It will be a better offensive line than we have fielded in years. Just two points: We are thin at the tackle position going into the season. Will Hernandez is going to struggle at some point during the season because he is a rookie but we have depth at guard. My only concern is the defense this year. Yes. Pass Rush and CB play are my main concerns, especially if Apple doesnt pull it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Yes. Pass Rush and CB play are my main concerns, especially if Apple doesnt pull it together. More concerned about the guys behind Eli Apple: Mix of guys who shouldn't start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 More concerned about the guys behind Eli Apple: Mix of guys who shouldn't start. I hope Thompson or Andrew Adams can step up. Adams was fine in 2016; Im not sure why he was relegated in 2017. Landon also seemed a bit off in 2017, from a coverage perspective. We need more of his 2016 performance as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 He was on a bad ankle all year. I expect him to return to 2016 form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Flowers is struggling... report out of camp is Hes given up 4 sacks since the Giants put on Pads. This kids has been a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGL Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Flowers is struggling... report out of camp is Hes given up 4 sacks since the Giants put on Pads. This kids has been a bust. What a surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Yes. Pass Rush and CB play are my main concerns, especially if Apple doesnt pull it together. Yes and Special Teams and Coaching and Locker Room. Otherwise, we're good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 What a surprise I feel for him... as a coach, it was hard for me to see a Kid struggle, even when I knew he tried his hardest. I feel for this kid. I hope he comes through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Flowers is struggling... report out of camp is Hes given up 4 sacks since the Giants put on Pads. This kids has been a bust. Solder hasn't been much better, and the second string has been far worse still. But it's way early, the Ds usually run roughshod over the offensive side of the ball in the early going. Offense is more complicated, it takes more time. Sounds like a wild defensive scheme they've been going up against too. I can't wait to see what it looks like when it gets real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Flowers is struggling... report out of camp is Hes given up 4 sacks since the Giants put on Pads. This kids has been a bust. I wonder if we can slide John Greco out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Yeah reports coming out of training camp has the defensive line ahead of the curve and giving the offensive line fits across the board. I think it is great and not a sign of things to come or something to be concerned about. No reason to start throwing guys under the bus, a lot of training camp to get through and a preseason. This team is coming together hopefully make this an exciting year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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