Bigblue25 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Darnold and Rosen arent exactly cant miss type prospects in the mood of the 04 Class. Agreed and why stash a QB for another year after just stashing a QB. This team is no better with or without Eli, also fans are going to call for the rookie soon as Eli has a three pick (which is inevitable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Plus Webb has the "I'm a goofy looking mother fucker" thing that works so well for all great Giants QBs. Eli, Simms, YA. Put me in coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 My first NFL memory as a 9 year old living in England was when my Canadian uncle ( a Giants fan ) told me we had chosen a QB named Phil Simms with pick#7 in the 1979 Draft.........that's when i took an interest in " American Football " which we could only hear on AFRTS Sports radio at the time. ( My uncle now 75 years old still regrets that we didn't choose Montana who went at #82 in the same draft. ) Mind you Cincinnati picked Jack Thompson ( the "Throwin' Samoan" with pick #3 ) - does anyone remember him ? Just goes to show that it has always been a crapshoot when it comes to Quarterbacks anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Which is why nobody should be valuing it more than belichick coaching the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 My first NFL memory as a 9 year old living in England was when my Canadian uncle ( a Giants fan ) told me we had chosen a QB named Phil Simms with pick#7 in the 1979 Draft.........that's when i took an interest in " American Football " which we could only hear on AFRTS Sports radio at the time. ( My uncle now 75 years old still regrets that we didn't choose Montana who went at #82 in the same draft. ) Mind you Cincinnati picked Jack Thompson ( the "Throwin' Samoan" with pick #3 ) - does anyone remember him ? Just goes to show that it has always been a crapshoot when it comes to Quarterbacks anyway Funny, I remember that draft vividly. I wanted the Throwin' Samoan, Jack Thompson and was disappointed when the Bengals grabbed him. When Rozelle said "Phil Simms, Quaterback, Moorehead State", I had never heard of him! Talk about a letdown! So even way back then, I knew little to nothing about college players and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 As far as Webb and Rosen being on equal footing...factoring in the anomaly of Brady being the best ever ava drafted in the sixth round and all rarities like him...Webb was valued by scouts, coaches, etc and drafted in the third round. Rosen will absolutely go in the top five and is considered the best qb in the draft by most experts. There isn't a coach or gm in the league that would rather have Webb than Rosen based on career expectations. If the incoming coach believes Webb is a franchise qb, I'll accept that, but if we pass on Rosen in the hopes of finding a qb next year I would be really disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Funny, I remember that draft vividly. I wanted the Throwin' Samoan, Jack Thompson and was disappointed when the Bengals grabbed him. When Rozelle said "Phil Simms, Quaterback, Moorehead State", I had never heard of him! Talk about a letdown! So even way back then, I knew little to nothing about college players and the draft. Bill Walsh wanted Simms though. They didn't have a first round pick because they traded it for OJ Simpson so they ended up with Montana in the 3rd round I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Bill Walsh wanted Simms though. They didn't have a first round pick because they traded it for OJ Simpson so they ended up with Montana in the 3rd round I think And its not like Montana would have been Montana, the GOAT, had the Giants picked him. Aside from Mark Bavaro, I don't think the Giants had a skill position player in that era who would have played over the guys that Montana played with on the 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 And its not like Montana would have been Montana, the GOAT, had the Giants picked him. Aside from Mark Bavaro, I don't think the Giants had a skill position player in that era who would have played over the guys that Montana played with on the 49ers. you talking Offense Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 As far as Webb and Rosen being on equal footing...factoring in the anomaly of Brady being the best ever ava drafted in the sixth round and all rarities like him...Webb was valued by scouts, coaches, etc and drafted in the third round. Rosen will absolutely go in the top five and is considered the best qb in the draft by most experts. There isn't a coach or gm in the league that would rather have Webb than Rosen based on career expectations. If the incoming coach believes Webb is a franchise qb, I'll accept that, but if we pass on Rosen in the hopes of finding a qb next year I would be really disappointed. Valid points again... I really don't think this team can do wrong going either direction... either pick Rosen and expect him to shine over Webb... and if not, have 2 really good young QBs... or... the sky is the limit... whether it's trading down or picking someone they think will be worthy of #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 And its not like Montana would have been Montana, the GOAT, had the Giants picked him. Aside from Mark Bavaro, I don't think the Giants had a skill position player in that era who would have played over the guys that Montana played with on the 49ers. Agreed- Giants stars were on Defense- not that 9ers had a bad D either- that's what made their battles epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 you talking Offense Right? oh yeah.... RB, WR, TE. And maybe you can throw OL up there too, the 49ers were stacked on offense all through the 80s and 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Agreed- Giants stars were on Defense- not that 9ers had a bad D either- that's what made their battles epic. yeah, I miss it. You just don't see battles like that anymore. And I know, Joe Morris was good too.... but was he better than Roger Craig? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 No but Carthon>Rathman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Mo, some people call me Maurice, Carthon. Hell yeah. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Webb and Rosen are on equal footing? Or Webb has a leg up? Because theyve practiced and gone through a preseason? Lol...thats astonishingly incoherent and illogical. How many teams would be willing to trade a first or even second round draft pick for Webb right now. Lol...ask any of these draft teams if theyd rather take Rosen/Darnold vs. take Webb. No front office anywhere has a dire hankering for Webb over these two QBs. Apply your logic to anyone else. What about Nassib. For years, he similarly had a leg up on any QB drafted after 2013. How did his leg up work out compared to Wentz, Carr, Goff, Mariota, Winston? Lol. The guy is out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 yeah, I miss it. You just don't see battles like that anymore. And I know, Joe Morris was good too.... but was he better than Roger Craig? Probably not. What the FUCK are you talking about? Joe Morris was literally the best RB to play the game in NFL history, and it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What the FUCK are you talking about? Joe Morris was literally the best RB to play the game in NFL history, and it's not even close. Some nostalgia factor coming into to play there Seph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Jake Frohm is playing like the best qb in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Watching highlights of the QBs, Josh Allen may be the best in the draft. Dude has it all, big, big arm, touch, can feel pressure and move around in the pocket, throws well on the run. Looks a lot like Favre. He's a playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 Webb and Rosen are on equal footing? Or Webb has a leg up? Because theyve practiced and gone through a preseason? Lol...thats astonishingly incoherent and illogical. How many teams would be willing to trade a first or even second round draft pick for Webb right now. Lol...ask any of these draft teams if theyd rather take Rosen/Darnold vs. take Webb. No front office anywhere has a dire hankering for Webb over these two QBs. Apply your logic to anyone else. What about Nassib. For years, he similarly had a leg up on any QB drafted after 2013. How did his leg up work out compared to Wentz, Carr, Goff, Mariota, Winston? Lol. The guy is out of the league. Idk... just look at Webb's stats vs Rosen's... Not a whole lot of daylight... Shit Webb's TD to INT ration is much much better... and if there's one stat that has killed us in the Eli Manning era, it's INTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Watching highlights of the QBs, Josh Allen may be the best in the draft. Dude has it all, big, big arm, touch, can feel pressure and move around in the pocket, throws well on the run. Looks a lot like Favre. He's a playmaker. His knock is he played in FCS. I think that's what makes him great. So little talent around him and he still getting noticed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Idk... just look at Webb's stats vs Rosen's... Not a whole lot of daylight... Shit Webb's TD to INT ration is much much better... and if there's one stat that has killed us in the Eli Manning era, it's INTs. Stats don't tell much from the college game. They get you a little, but only very small piece of the player evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Watching highlights of the QBs, Josh Allen may be the best in the draft. Dude has it all, big, big arm, touch, can feel pressure and move around in the pocket, throws well on the run. Looks a lot like Favre. He's a playmaker. He's okay. I don't see the consistency of Wentz in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Watching highlights of the QBs, Josh Allen may be the best in the draft. Dude has it all, big, big arm, touch, can feel pressure and move around in the pocket, throws well on the run. Looks a lot like Favre. He's a playmaker. Have to admit I really like everything I have read on him so far. Long way to go before the draft and I would not be surprised to see him move up on draft boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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