Nas Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 And I can think of Mariota, Winston, Tennenhill, Quinn, Manzel, RG3, Weeden, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Tebow, Freeman, Sanchez, Russell, Young, Leinhart, Cutler, Leftwitch, Boller, Carr, Harrington, Pennington, Couch, Leaf, Smith, the list goes on and on, and these are just first round QBs. Sorry Nas, you simply cant say a top 10/5 QB will make it in the NFL, the anomaly being 2004. The fucking Jets lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 How many first rounds QBs are starting VS All other rounds Qbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 How many first rounds QBs are starting VS All other rounds Qbs Of the 32 NFL teams,: 18 had starting QBs drafted in the 1st round (56.25%) 7 of which were drafted number 1 overall (21.88%) 13 teams had QBs drafted in the top 5 (40.63%) This does not factor in Andrew Luck in Indy since he has not played all year. Respectively, those numbers would jump to 59.38%, 25%, 43.75% if Luck played. It should also be considered that Minnesota had two injured 1st rd QBs that would likely have started if healthy, including and number 1 overall. Of the 12 playoff teams, 8 have starting QBs drafted in the 1st round, 7 of which were top 5 picks. Starting QBs by round drafted, leaving out Luck, Bradford, and Bridgewater 1st round - 18 2nd round - 5 3rd round - 3 4th round - 2 5th round - 0 6th round - 2 7th round - 1 Undrafted - 1 I think it is fair to say that if you're looking for a franchise QB, the top of the 1st round is a pretty good place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Darnold just declared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Of the 32 NFL teams,: 18 had starting QBs drafted in the 1st round (56.25%) 7 of which were drafted number 1 overall (21.88%) 13 teams had QBs drafted in the top 5 (40.63%) This does not factor in Andrew Luck in Indy since he has not played all year. Respectively, those numbers would jump to 59.38%, 25%, 43.75% if Luck played. It should also be considered that Minnesota had two injured 1st rd QBs that would likely have started if healthy, including and number 1 overall. Of the 12 playoff teams, 8 have starting QBs drafted in the 1st round, 7 of which were top 5 picks. Starting QBs by round drafted, leaving out Luck, Bradford, and Bridgewater 1st round - 18 2nd round - 5 3rd round - 3 4th round - 2 5th round - 0 6th round - 2 7th round - 1 Undrafted - 1 I think it is fair to say that if you're looking for a franchise QB, the top of the 1st round is a pretty good place to start. Thanks VG.... made my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Give Eli another year and Saquon Barkley with a rebuilt O-Line, Beckham, Shepherd, and Engram. I guess I'm saying Barkley with the 2nd pick and get a QB in '19. Someone should be available at 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I'd love to think a 3-13 team can make a run next year, but it's doubtful. If that's the route they opt for, they should try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I'd love to think a 3-13 team can make a run next year, but it's doubtful. If that's the route they opt for, they should try to trade for Larry Fitzgerald. This is not a 3-13 team. They lost 13 games this year. It's an anomaly. It's not like they consistently have horrible seasons like the old Raiders or the Browns. If they take care of what the entire world knows needs to be taken care of, and get the broken pieces back healthy, '18 will be what '17 should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Its not a 13 loss roster I agree. This is almost the same exact roster that went 11-5 and its much easier to have a season spiral out of control than it is to luck your way to 11 wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Of the 32 NFL teams,: 18 had starting QBs drafted in the 1st round (56.25%) 7 of which were drafted number 1 overall (21.88%) 13 teams had QBs drafted in the top 5 (40.63%) This does not factor in Andrew Luck in Indy since he has not played all year. Respectively, those numbers would jump to 59.38%, 25%, 43.75% if Luck played. It should also be considered that Minnesota had two injured 1st rd QBs that would likely have started if healthy, including and number 1 overall. Of the 12 playoff teams, 8 have starting QBs drafted in the 1st round, 7 of which were top 5 picks. Starting QBs by round drafted, leaving out Luck, Bradford, and Bridgewater 1st round - 18 2nd round - 5 3rd round - 3 4th round - 2 5th round - 0 6th round - 2 7th round - 1 Undrafted - 1 I think it is fair to say that if you're looking for a franchise QB, the top of the 1st round is a pretty good place to start. Just some further stats I spent far too much time on: Win % by draft position in 2017 Rd 1: 1st: 49-39 .557 2nd: 24-16 .600 3rd: 10-6 .625 4th: 9-7 .563 11th: 18-11 .620 12th: 3-4 .429 16th: 9-7 .563 24th: 4-2 .667 Rd 1 total: 117-92 .560 Rd 2: 29-42 .408 Rd 3: 18-26 .409 4th: 16-16 .500 6th: 21-9 .700 7th: 5-6 .455 Undrafted: 12-3 .800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 This is not a 3-13 team. They lost 13 games this year. It's an anomaly. It's not like they consistently have horrible seasons like the old Raiders or the Browns. If they take care of what the entire world knows needs to be taken care of, and get the broken pieces back healthy, '18 will be what '17 should have been. Its not a 13 loss roster I agree. This is almost the same exact roster that went 11-5 and its much easier to have a season spiral out of control than it is to luck your way to 11 wins Granted, but new coaching staff, new system, and likely the loss of a couple defensive starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 There's too much talent for a new coach to just blow it all up. Hopefully, Schwartz is smart enough to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I dont think were losing much on defense. Maybe drc. Maybe casillas. apple is addition by subtraction at this point. Anyway I just mean from a player personnel standpoint I think we are closer to 11 wins than 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The more I'm looking at it, the more I'm thinking the Giants need to make the world think they're taking Barkley to encourage a team who really wants him to trade up for him. I mean, draw up a fake draft board and have some low-rung staffer "leak" it. Barkley won't make it past the Browns' 2nd pick overall, so do we encourage the Browns to trade up and pick both #1 and #2 overall? They have the draft capital to do it. We'd still be in the top 5 and be able to get one of the QBs....Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield...or we could likely get the top OT...whomever that might be...and ultimately roll with Eli/Davis next year. Just thinking aloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The more I'm looking at it, the more I'm thinking the Giants need to make the world think they're taking Barkley to encourage a team who really wants him to trade up for him. I mean, draw up a fake draft board and have some low-rung staffer "leak" it. Barkley won't make it past the Browns' 2nd pick overall, so do we encourage the Browns to trade up and pick both #1 and #2 overall? They have the draft capital to do it. We'd still be in the top 5 and be able to get one of the QBs....Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield...or we could likely get the top OT...whomever that might be...and ultimately roll with Eli/Davis next year. Just thinking aloud. I don't see us passing on the chance to get the QB the Giants want.. my guess is they want Rosen. I don't see the Browns taking Josh Allen. And I don't think the Brows would squander their picks... they don't need to trade up for anyone... As much as the Barkely pick sounds good, we just don't have the OL (1) and our QB doesn't have much left in the tank... so the time to pick that QB is now... the wild card here is Davis Webb... does the FO office think he can be the future of this team? In that case, trading down becomes that much more appealing since our problems go beyond the RB position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Vikings were second in the NFL in rushing attempts. Shurmur definitely likes to run the ball and Dalvin Cook looked well on his way to OROY before his injury it was probably the running game and good defense more so than Keenum. In Cleveland Shurmur took Richardson and then came back up for Weeden, I wonder if the same come happen here draft Barkley then come back up for Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm not necessarily advocating that we pick Barkley, but that we make the world think we are. There's a bigger dropoff from RB1 to RB2 than there is from QB2 to QB3 in this draft (assuming Browns take QB1). So I guess the best move here really is to get a gauge on what picks 3-5 are going to do. Actively shop the 2nd pick on draft day, but don't drop outside the top 5 or 6...because you want that top OT, top RB, or top-3 QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'd rather trade down and pick up more draft picks at this point. You have to be 100% positive this is your QB for the next decade to take one and I think we can put off making that decision. There will be other drafts and other QBs. Fixing the rest of the team is the priority over securing a possible franchise QB now who will lead the team later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'd rather trade down and pick up more draft picks at this point. You have to be 100% positive this is your QB for the next decade to take one and I think we can put off making that decision. There will be other drafts and other QBs. Fixing the rest of the team is the priority over securing a possible franchise QB now who will might lead the team later. Nassib and Webb...haven't lead shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Nassib and Webb...haven't lead shit. I'm counting on Eli Manning playing out his contract before replacing him as starter again. In two years we can have a better team built for the next QB whoever that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Nassib and Webb...haven't lead shit. To be fair, Webb is about as good if not better than the current QB prospects in this draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 To be fair, Webb is about as good if not better than the current QB prospects in this draft... based on Nas Football Camp, Bronx, NY 10451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 To be fair, Webb is about as good if not better than the current QB prospects in this draft... yeah, I don't know how that can be stated with any degree of confidence. If you want to say Webb is as much a crapshoot as the draft prospects, I'll buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 based on Nas Football Camp, Bronx, NY 10451 Yes. (wrong zip code) yeah, I don't know how that can be stated with any degree of confidence. If you want to say Webb is as much a crapshoot as the draft prospects, I'll buy that. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-broncos-move-up-to-no-1-and-a-trade-for-every-first-round-pick/ Interesting excerpt from crazy yet possible draft trades 2. Buffalo Bills (from NYG) Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA. The Bills have the ammo to move up, and packaging their two first-round picks would be enough to get into the top 10. If they throw in left tackle Cordy Glenn and another later pick, would that be enough to get to No. 2? There's obviously a familiarity between the teams' GMs thanks to their Carolina connections. If a trade like this happens, the Bills get a pro-ready franchise quarterback and try to build on last year's playoff run, while the Giants get potentially three starters for the price of one, depending on how they use No. 21 and No. 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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