JayD Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Of course he deserves it, that's why we should do the right thing and get all we can for him. We cant afford him. The team will suffer overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 For Beckham, we have the one year tender of ~$8.5mm for next year. He'll likely have to play under or sign an extension to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The Steelers have the highest paid wr on their team and theyre the number 1 seed. His 200+ yards were a big reason why they got their last win too. Theres a huge hap between tier 1 and tier 2 wrs. You need a really good reason to give up an edge like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Well the odds of a trade are next to nothing anyway. I'd like to think he could become as much a respectable person as he is a player. At the least stop looking like a classless clown out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I think hell grow up. I wouldve been a total pain in the ass in my early 20s if I was in his shoes too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 The chargers actually ended up with nothing eventually - Merriman, Rivers - Merriman didnt do much - Rivers is damn good yes - Kaeding and the rest sucked balls. EA knew what necessary for that Franchise QB - and Eli has been that and so much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Merriman was good for like two years before he got busted for roids and had to stop taking them. Total bum, and people used to use him as an argument forvwhy the chargers won that trade lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I dont see why Giants need to trade from their No.2 pick at all. Pick the best available QB and then go RB in round 2. Start there. OL is a crap shoot and Id not waste a top pick on OL - Tunsil is struggling. Flowers is really improved actually. Their learning curve seems to be even more than a QB. CBs suddenly seem to have a lot less of a learning curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 I dont see why Giants need to trade from their No.2 pick at all. Pick the best available QB and then go RB in round 2. Start there. OL is a crap shoot and Id not waste a top pick on OL - Tunsil is struggling. Flowers is really improved actually. Their learning curve seems to be even more than a QB. CBs suddenly seem to have a lot less of a learning curve. Even if Flowers turns it around, we still need a Tackle or Guard in the draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Even if Flowers turns it around, we still need a Tackle or Guard in the draft... Agreed, but more like tackle AND guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I dont see why Giants need to trade from their No.2 pick at all. Pick the best available QB and then go RB in round 2. Start there. OL is a crap shoot and Id not waste a top pick on OL - Tunsil is struggling. Flowers is really improved actually. Their learning curve seems to be even more than a QB. CBs suddenly seem to have a lot less of a learning curve. BWaahahhahahahahahahhaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Agreed, but more like tackle AND guard. I think Bobby Hart should get a shot at the guard position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 don't laugh, Flowers really has been a lot better lately. I know you tend to just follow the ball, but try to focus on him during the game, he's throwing some nasty blocks these days. You're more likely to notice when he gets burned, but for every one of those he's destroying somebody now. PFF has him ranked #46 on the season.... not bad given where he was after about five weeks. I think Bobby Hart should get a shot at the guard position Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 don't laugh, Flowers really has been a lot better lately. I know you tend to just follow the ball, but try to focus on him during the game, he's throwing some nasty blocks these days. You're more likely to notice when he gets burned, but for every one of those he's destroying somebody now. PFF has him ranked #46 on the season.... not bad given where he was after about five weeks. Fixed. Ha Seriously they have third year Bobby Hart on the roster, under contract, and we need to put him somewhere on the offensive line where he can succeed. Cutting him loose just opens up another hole we can't fill. Terrible offensive tackle, might be good enough to play offensive guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 yeah, that's a good approach. It's a long list of offensive linemen who struggle as rookies or young players only to significantly improve later. So long as the work ethic is there, no point giving up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I've watched Flowers...have you? He's marginal at best. His improvement is like going from a D- to a D+. He's not a long term solution at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I've watched Flowers...have you? He's marginal at best. His improvement is like going from a D- to a D+. He's not a long term solution at that position. You might have stopped watching after his performance in Detroit only to start again when we played Washington. It happens quite often because the camera only focuses on him when he fucks up. If he is doing a good job, the camera looks for the other player fucking up and on a team doing a great job of fucking up the 2017 season... I hope the Giants get a LT so they can move Flowers to RT but that has been on our wishlist for two years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 He could be an amazing right tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I've watched Flowers...have you? He's marginal at best. His improvement is like going from a D- to a D+. He's not a long term solution at that position. I really don't think you have, V. Not lately. Just watch Flowers make me look like an ass now, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Like I said...unlike in the first half of the season where hes had 4-5 plays per game where he runs around in a circle and doesnt even touch the defender, hes now down to 3-4 of those per game. Hes moved up to a D+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I've watched Flowers...have you? He's marginal at best. His improvement is like going from a D- to a D+. He's not a long term solution at that position. I'd give him a C- but yeah, same difference. From an F to a C- is certainly improvement, just not what you'd want to see out of a top-10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 well, I'm definitely not arguing that he's been worth his draft position based on how he's played. I'm just saying that he's improved and its too soon to give up on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Here's what I'll give Flowers...if Flowers is flanked by B to A grade offensive lineman at LG, C, RG, and RT, I can live with that. I think he'll do better if he has better players around him (granted, that can be said for most OL). What I'm trying to say is, I think we need to find at least three starting caliber OL this offseason. Easier said than done I know. If we can't fill all of those gaps next to Flowers, but can find a great LT, why not pursue it and potentially bump Flowers inside to Guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 well, I'm definitely not arguing that he's been worth his draft position based on how he's played. I'm just saying that he's improved and its too soon to give up on him. It would be a bad move to give up on him... he's still on his rookie contract so he's relatively cheap. I think he's playing out of position too... he might be a pretty good RT. However, I think it was colossally stupid for Reese to not provide competition/backup in case he flopped, which he did... and we can see the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Here's what I'll give Flowers...if Flowers is flanked by B to A grade offensive lineman at LG, C, RG, and RT, I can live with that. I think he'll do better if he has better players around him (granted, that can be said for most OL). What I'm trying to say is, I think we need to find at least three starting caliber OL this offseason. Easier said than done I know. Yeah this is why I was pushing so hard for Forrest Lamp this past year. We have three guys heading into free agency on the interior line, and one (Jerry) who's just flat-out terrible. Would have been nice to have had some insurance there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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