MikeGL Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The dude lets people know past him, it's disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Our OLine Coach should be fired. His technique is awful. Jerry's a fucking turnstile out there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He might be a good RT, or almost certainly a Guard, but he's not a LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I don't like to call someone a bust only in their second season. But they need to at the very least bring in true competition for him next season and be open to moving him. I do think his worst case scenario for him is pro bowl right guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I am still hessitant to call him a bust... but he was fucking horrible last night. Maybe the moving him to the Right side will make a difference, or inside, but someone needs to be able to block better than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Huge step backwards last night, and it had Eli skittish back there. I don't know what that was about... It was like day one rookie for Flowers. WtF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm not sure why he refuses to initiate contact. He's a very passive pass blocker. He needs to attack with the hands rather than allowing guys to build up steam and run past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why is Beatty on this team? Sit or move Flowers and start Beatty. Flowers is going to get Eli killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm not sure why he refuses to initiate contact. He's a very passive pass blocker. He needs to attack with the hands rather than allowing guys to build up steam and run past him. This. This definitely caught my attention... of course DEs will be faster than you.. you need to knock them back and mess up their routes to your qb... No I don't think he's a bust... I'm just wondering who the fuck is coaching these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 This. This definitely caught my attention... of course DEs will be faster than you.. you need to knock them back and mess up their routes to your qb... No I don't think he's a bust... I'm just wondering who the fuck is coaching these guys. Agreed! And I thought the guy had a nasty, mean demeanor but I guess I was mistaken. He's more like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, hoo hoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Agreed! And I thought the guy had a nasty, mean demeanor but I guess I was mistaken. He's more like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, hoo hoo. No he does have a nasty demeanor... it's not there this season... Idk wtf but hopefully he can get it together.. also the coaches finally decided to give him some help in the 2nd half and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They keep talking about his poor hand placement and they showed an example last night, one of the times he was beaten. Isn't that something that should be fixable through coaching, practice and repetitions? Don't think they change horses midstream but gotta think they reassess during the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 waiting so long to get to the pass rusher was a new development, to my eyes. Sloppy with his hands, that's not new. Lunging at the pass rusher, that's not new. But playing like an effeminate newcomer to the sport, that is not like him to this point. I hope that was some sort of bizarre aberration, or he was severely ill last night, or.... something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 This. This definitely caught my attention... of course DEs will be faster than you.. you need to knock them back and mess up their routes to your qb... No I don't think he's a bust... I'm just wondering who the fuck is coaching these guys. Hey I heard few complaints about Mike Solari when he was hired and a lot of them concerning the relationship between Pat Flaherty and Flowers. Flowers likes the new coach and few people like what they are seeing from Flowers. IMO, Flowers will be fine and the expectations from the fanbase were ridiculously high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hey I heard few complaints about Mike Solari when he was hired and a lot of them concerning the relationship between Pat Flaherty and Flowers. Flowers likes the new coach and few people like what they are seeing from Flowers. IMO, Flowers will be fine and the expectations from the fanbase were ridiculously high. I don't know if us fans expecting a first round pick not to suck can be termed as "ridiculously high"... I just see our OL in general playing worse that it did last year... and just like we (at least I did) called for Fewel to be fired for his vanilla defense, I think the same can be said of the OL coach.. whoever he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I don't know if us fans expecting a first round pick not to suck can be termed as "ridiculously high"... I just see our OL in general playing worse that it did last year... and just like we (at least I did) called for Fewel to be fired for his vanilla defense, I think the same can be said of the OL coach.. whoever he is... Exactly. Expecting the 9th overall pick to perform at a high level is not an unrealistic expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I don't know if us fans expecting a first round pick not to suck can be termed as "ridiculously high"... I just see our OL in general playing worse that it did last year... and just like we (at least I did) called for Fewel to be fired for his vanilla defense, I think the same can be said of the OL coach.. whoever he is... Exactly. Expecting the 9th overall pick to perform at a high level is not an unrealistic expectation. Ok time for some Perspective This would be year 2 for Flowers in the NFL and he has spent all of his time at the Left Tackle position. Will Beatty was drafted in 2009, started playing at LT in 2012. David Diehl was drafted in 2003 and started playing LT in 2007. Tyron Smith was drafted in 2011 and started playing left tackle in 2012. They had time to adjust to playing at the NFL level and then adjust to playing the hardest position on the offensive line. Flowers does not suck, he is simply developing at a pace Giants fans wish was faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Flowers suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Ok time for some Perspective This would be year 2 for Flowers in the NFL and he has spent all of his time at the Left Tackle position. Will Beatty was drafted in 2009, started playing at LT in 2012. David Diehl was drafted in 2003 and started playing LT in 2007. Tyron Smith was drafted in 2011 and started playing left tackle in 2012. They had time to adjust to playing at the NFL level and then adjust to playing the hardest position on the offensive line. Flowers does not suck, he is simply developing at a pace Giants fans wish was faster. I think what we're bitching about his regression more than anything else. He was better last year than he is now... he definitely has what it takes to be a top tier LT.... We need better coaches for his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I think what we're bitching about his regression more than anything else. He was better last year than he is now... he definitely has what it takes to be a top tier LT.... We need better coaches for his position. Oddly he is actually playing better this year according to the stats people. Of course we're the ones watching the games and we experience his penalties and see them. Development isn't always a straightforward process, sometimes there sidesteps and setbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 he's getting less help this year. And I can't be the only one wondering what the point of a TE is if that TE is just going to release freely into his route, without so much as a chip on the defensive end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Ok time for some Perspective This would be year 2 for Flowers in the NFL and he has spent all of his time at the Left Tackle position. Will Beatty was drafted in 2009, started playing at LT in 2012. David Diehl was drafted in 2003 and started playing LT in 2007. Tyron Smith was drafted in 2011 and started playing left tackle in 2012. They had time to adjust to playing at the NFL level and then adjust to playing the hardest position on the offensive line. Flowers does not suck, he is simply developing at a pace Giants fans wish was faster. That's a fair point, but respectfully, Diehl and Beatty weren't the ninth overall pick. Tyron Smith was a Pro Bowler at this point in his career, and he was drafted later than Flowers was. You don't draft a guy that high with the expectation that in three or four years they'll develop into a quality NFL player. A top ten pick needs to come in and produce at a high level. Flowers hasn't done that. Flowers probably won't be any good, because "Flowers" is not a football name. If he changes his last name to something really manly... maybe "Cowher..."he might have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 he's getting less help this year. And I can't be the only one wondering what the point of a TE is if that TE is just going to release freely into his route, without so much as a chip on the defensive end. True indeed... I noticed our TEs and RBs never bother to chip any defenders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 If he changes his last name to something really manly... maybe "Cowher..."he might have a chance. Flcowers perhaps Seph ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 That's a fair point, but respectfully, Diehl and Beatty weren't the ninth overall pick. Tyron Smith was a Pro Bowler at this point in his career, and he was drafted later than Flowers was. You don't draft a guy that high with the expectation that in three or four years they'll develop into a quality NFL player. A top ten pick needs to come in and produce at a high level. Flowers hasn't done that. Flowers probably won't be any good, because "Flowers" is not a football name. If he changes his last name to something really manly... maybe "Cowher..."he might have a chance. Tyron Smith was picked 9th overall in the 2011 draft and he made the pro bowl in his third year. I don't put much stock when someone makes the pro bowl because it has always been popularity contest. Plenty of players make the probowl because they made it the year before. Tyron Smith was a better prospect coming out of college than Ereck Flowers. We have seen players coming out of college just not as prepared as the ones that have come before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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