Dragon Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Is Eli Manning a HoFer if he retired today? I looked over his stats and NFL ranks in history and one could make an legitimate argument for or against. Personally regardless of his accomplishments and accolades I think he's held back by his 1.5/1 TD/INT ratio and the fact that he's only been in the playoffs 5 times in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The two super bowl wins put him over every time the conversation comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The two super bowl wins put him over every time the conversation comes up. This. Eli's stats may not be the greatest, but 2 rings combined with his work ethic, resiliency and not only being the face of the franchise, but the NFL as well, will get him in without question. I mean, you have guys like Marino with great stats and no ring and guys like Bob Griese with lousy stats and a ring in the Hall. Eli will get in for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I think a majority of non-Giants fans would say no, because he wasn't among the very best QB's of his era. However, I believe he is right now and will be a no doubter by the time he hangs it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 No question. Unless he really shits the bed his last few years, Eli may even go first ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The two super bowl wins put him over every time the conversation comes up. Yes ,,,,,,and the fact that he was MVP in both of them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 He wont be first ballot but he will eventually get in. If he finishes his career with three or four more seasons like this previous one I don't think there is any discussion about how he wont be a HoFer. Funny to think we are in an era where an number of current QBs will by in the HoF, Peyton, Brady, Eli, Brees, Rodgers, maybe Rivers, the Rapist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Believe me... I want him in the Hall without question. I just think that there's this anti-Eli sentiment in the NFL analyst community and I think they'll hold the int stat and team shortcomings against him... like missing the playoffs despite having the 8th ranked offense in the league. The records and rankings he has are ridiculous. He's already (or will be by the end of 2016) top 10 in every statistical category for a qb in NFL history. Top 3 among active QBs. He's had an amazing career without a lot of fanfare from the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Believe me... I want him in the Hall without question. I just think that there's this anti-Eli sentiment in the NFL analyst community and I think they'll hold the int stat and team shortcomings against him... like missing the playoffs despite having the 8th ranked offense in the league. The records and rankings he has are ridiculous. He's already (or will be by the end of 2016) top 10 in every statistical category for a qb in NFL history. Top 3 among active QBs. He's had an amazing career without a lot of fanfare from the media. Luckily I would say that if anything the HoF voting committee doesnt listen to anything the media has to say at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 He'll be 1st ballot. He'll get another ring w/MVP after another statistically deficient season just to seal the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 No doubt. He engineered the greatest Super Bowl win ever. Then won another. The career numbers will be there too. He's gonna be one of those guys that non-Giants appreciate a lot more down the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 He will get it. Not right away, I don't think he deserves to anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 He's not done yet and the next few years could be his best statistical years! Add say, three years of stats as good or better than last year to his two Super Bowl MVPs and yes, I believe he gets in. Or, if he has so-so years statistically but wins another Super Bowl. That would get him in, too. And if both those things come to pass, he's a no doubt, first ballot guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted July 14, 2016 Author Share Posted July 14, 2016 I say he should just remove all doubt and set some passing records and win us 2-3 more Super Bowls before he hangs up the cleats. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 It's the least he could do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I think it's automatic, personally. Who is he going to go up against that would push him out of consideration? He's not going to be going up against the likes of Brady or his brother, at least I don't think...I figure Brady will be retiring before him....Brees will probably retire before him. He might be going up against the likes of Big Ben or Phillip Rivers, but Rivers hasn't won anything and Ben's Super Bowls are nothing in comparison, in my opinion. Like has been said, if he continues to be top 5 in the league in most statistical categories for the next 4 or 5 years, however long he sticks around, he will be in, no doubt. Beckham will pad his stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I say he should just remove all doubt and set some passing records and win us 2-3 more Super Bowls before he hangs up the cleats. Lol. It's the least he could do He's a damned IMGRATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 He'll get in, but it won't be first ballot and it won't be for a long time. He's got a lot working against him: He's the "worse" Manning. There are many QBs this generation that are peeceived to be better (Brees, Brady, Rodgers,Rapistberger, etc). He's only made two Pro Bowls (totally dumb, I know). He's from New York. WE all know what a great QB he is but I'm not sure others do. We're talking about a committee that made Harry Carson wait... what? 25 years? That guy had eight Pro Bowls and a ring. Even Michael Strahan was second ballot so that Warren Fucking Sapp could get in. Phil Simms is still waiting. Another ring would definitely change all of that... I think he'd still be denied first ballot because the AP are pricks but it'd be tough to deny it to him for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah the committee has made a lot of fuck ups recently. Harrison over Owens Plunkett still not in. Jim Marshall still not in. Craig is still waiting despite being the horse of the 49ers team. They honestly just need to have a "clearance" HoF class where they induct 10 players at each position with the log jam they have going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah the committee has made a lot of fuck ups recently. Harrison over Owens Plunkett still not in. Jim Marshall still not in. Craig is still waiting despite being the horse of the 49ers team. They honestly just need to have a "clearance" HoF class where they induct 10 players at each position with the log jam they have going on. They could just lower the standard. Then, eventually, the prerequisite to get in would be that you played in the NFL. Sometime. In your lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah I love how Owens is blackballed but Harrison probably got away with killing someone and he's in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 My heart says yes, but I don't think, retiring today, he makes it. The case can be made that he has been in the top 5-10 in the league for his entire career, but not top 2 or 3. Without the rings, I don't think he is in the conversation. He played in an era when the season TD record was broke twice, multiple guys throwing for 40 TDs in a season, multiple guys throwing for 5,000 yards...tons of guys in the 4,700-5,000 area. His performance in the playoffs might be what carries him over the edge though, and how memorable his SB wins were, who they were against, the talent around him. Hell, the first super bowl run might be enough itself: wildcard team, 3 road games, 2 against the #1 and #2 seeds. Then the unbeaten Pats, maybe the greatest QB even in Brady, best team ever, best offense ever...If that is weighed as heavily as it should be and the voters don't write it off to the defense carrying them and a lucky helmet grab, he should make it. That's if he retired today. He isn't, he has 2-4 more years and has gotten better. If he can continue to put up the numbers from the last couple of years for the next 3 or 4, break 400 career TDs, 60,000 career yards...be hard to keep him out. Another ring would clinch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 yeah, the stats alone don't do it. And if he were a 14 game a year QB, like say Aaron Rodgers, he'd definitely be on the outside looking in. But Eli is the iron man of his era - that matters a shit ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 My heart says yes, but I don't think, retiring today, he makes it. The case can be made that he has been in the top 5-10 in the league for his entire career, but not top 2 or 3. Without the rings, I don't think he is in the conversation. He played in an era when the season TD record was broke twice, multiple guys throwing for 40 TDs in a season, multiple guys throwing for 5,000 yards...tons of guys in the 4,700-5,000 area. His performance in the playoffs might be what carries him over the edge though, and how memorable his SB wins were, who they were against, the talent around him. Hell, the first super bowl run might be enough itself: wildcard team, 3 road games, 2 against the #1 and #2 seeds. Then the unbeaten Pats, maybe the greatest QB even in Brady, best team ever, best offense ever...If that is weighed as heavily as it should be and the voters don't write it off to the defense carrying them and a lucky helmet grab, he should make it. That's if he retired today. He isn't, he has 2-4 more years and has gotten better. If he can continue to put up the numbers from the last couple of years for the next 3 or 4, break 400 career TDs, 60,000 career yards...be hard to keep him out. Another ring would clinch it. I looked at this and the first thing that came to mind was "no way in hell", but on second thought it's not that far off. We're talking 106 TD Passes and just under 16,000 yards. If Eli plays another 4 years we're only talking 4000 yards and just over 25 TDs a year. Both of which I completely expect to be achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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