Mr. P Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 The start of free agency is still a few days away, but the Giants’ chase for pass rushing help has already begun. The Giants reached out to the agent for Mario Williams and expressed some interest in the former Buffalo Bills defense end, a league source told the Daily News, but not enough interest to prevent him from making his first free-agent visit to Miami. The 31-year-old Williams was on his way to meet with the Dolphins on Saturday, according to the NFL Network. It wasn’t immediately known if he had plans to visit the Giants or any other teams, too. Even if Williams does sign with the Dolphins, it could benefit the Giants because it could make it much easier for them – or any other team – to pry defensive end Olivier Vernon away. The Dolphins placed the “transition tag” on Vernon, their 25-year-old defensive end, guaranteeing him a one-year deal for $12.7 million. Vernon can still solicit offers in free agency and the Dolphins would have the right to match, but they are not expected to match any significant offer. They definitely wouldn’t match if they can land Williams instead. It’s unclear how aggressive the Giants planned to be for either player. According to a team source, they are planning to spend big on defensive help, particularly along the defensive line if possible. They likely would prefer someone younger than Williams, who had five sacks last season and was cut by the Bills on Tuesday. But he could be a good fallback option – and a less expensive one – if they’re unable to land a player like Vernon or Denver’s Malik Jackson when the market opens on Wednesday. Williams was unproductive in Buffalo last season, but he appeared miscast (and unhappy) in Rex Ryan’s 3-4 defense. He had double-digit sacks in each of the three previous seasons and some NFL scouts think he could revive in his career playing a 4-3 scheme like the Giants run. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-express-interest-ex-bills-de-mario-williams-article-1.2553960?utm_content=bufferd8f76&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=RVacchiano+Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Mario Williams would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so-cal dub Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Mario Williams would be a mistake. That's literally impossible with this current defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I'd rather get younger at DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balloonknot Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I'd rather get younger at DE I'd rather get competent at DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I'd rather get competent at DE this, so very much of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think Williams signing would be more of the same that we've had. I'd rather have Ayers and a much lower cost than Williams. But ultimately, we need to get BOTH younger AND better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Pass on Mario. Too much money for a guy whose best days are in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think Williams signing would be more of the same that we've had. I'd rather have Ayers and a much lower cost than Williams. But ultimately, we need to get BOTH younger AND better. It appears they are both asking for 10m a year. I'd rather give that to Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 It appears they are both asking for 10m a year. I'd rather give that to Williams. At that price, yes. But I don't know that I'd want to pay either that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I'd rather get competent at DE Yep. Tired of Reese going after stop gaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 It appears they are both asking for 10m a year. I'd rather give that to Williams. Ayers is asking for 10 mil?! He was good but holy shit that's at least double what he's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Ayers is asking for 10 mil?! He was good but holy shit that's at least double what he's worth. yeah, that surprised me, too......but I guess, in today's dollars, he's worth closer to that than we would have thought. I'd rather spend, say, 14M on Malik Jackson or maybe 13M on O Vernon. Would also shell out for Trevathan & Gipson. Prefer to stay away from the over 30 "former Pro Bowler" type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Ayers is asking for 10 mil?! He was good but holy shit that's at least double what he's worth. Well...they can ask what ever they want but I am not surprised he'd try. DLineman are getting ridiculous money recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 With Vernon tagged there aren't a lot of sacks on the market and ayers has 9.5 of them. I think he's worth what he's asking and frankly I'd pay it before paying for Mario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Vernon received the Transition Tag. That essentially makes him a high paid RFA with no compensation going to the Dolphins if he signs elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Pay up or another horrible season defensively because we don't have a pass rush. We're not going to be enjoying the 2016 season thinking about how much money the Giants saved by being cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Vernon received the Transition Tag. That essentially makes him a high paid RFA with no compensation going to the Dolphins if he signs elsewhere. Correct. And he's guaranteed almost 13 million next year. It's now going to take almost a Robert Quinn contract to keep a 26 year old from signing that tag. He's not worth that and that effectively takes him off the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Correct. And he's guaranteed almost 13 million next year. It's now going to take almost a Robert Quinn contract to keep a 26 year old from signing that tag. He's not worth that and that effectively takes him off the market If that tag works the same way the franchise tag does (not guaranteed) then it may not take as much as you're thinking. Either way, we still need to explore how much he's gonna ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Yeah it didn't used to be guaranteed but it is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Time for my boy Double O to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Yeah it didn't used to be guaranteed but it is now Then he has all the incentive in the world to sign it unless he wants a long term deal right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think if he were 30 there'd be a better shot but 26 and 12.7 guaranteed is pretty tempting unless someone really wows him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 As every day passes, there will be a bit more clarity. The Giants are approximately $56 million under the salary cap (with more coming). They have money to spend. How are they going to do it? • Cross veteran defensive end Mario Williams off the list. He's not in play for the Giants at this time, a person with knowledge of the situation told NJ Advance Media. Williams, 31, is coming off a down year in Buffalo with just 19 tackles and 5.0 sacks. He was cut by the Bills and wanted to make four or five quick visits, with the Giants a likely stop. But the visit never materialized as Williams reportedly was looking for a deal in the $10 million per year range. The price may have been more than the Giants were willing to pay as they concentrate their efforts elsewhere at defensive end right now. Some of that focus is directed at Jason Pierre-Paul right now. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/03/giants_free_agency_rumors_cross_mario_williams_off.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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