JMFP Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/2/29/11132268/gm-jerry-reese-ny-giants-mocked-by-national-media Now, in his Monday Morning Quarterback column, Peter King has shredded Reese's "we could have been 10-6" diatribe. Here is what King wrote: I think I've had enough of the if-we-could-just-close-out-games-we'd-have-been-a-playoff-team palaver from Giants GM Jerry Reese. At the combine he said, "If we close out a couple of games, you know, we can be 10-6. We lost a lot of games close. We had the lead late in the fourth quarter in a few games ... A few plays here or there and we could be 10-6 instead of 6-10." Two points. The Giants closed the season 2-7, allowing 30.7 points per game in those nine games. That's not a good team. That's not close to being a good team. And the game is 60 minutes long. It's cute and interesting (the first 74 times) to hear the Giants would have been the '85 Bears if the games were only 57 minutes long, or whatever, in 2015. They don't give shiny trophies for 57 minutes of football. A long time ago, I covered the Giants, and I asked Bill Parcells, then the coach, some question having to do with progress his team was making, and he asked me to see the Giants media guide. I handed him one, and he turned to the year-by-year won-lost records. "Look," he said, pointing to some past season. "L, W, W, W, L, L, L ... Do you see anywhere in there what actually happened in the game? No. It doesn't matter. All that matters is the W or the L. Nobody years from now is going to look at our record and say, ‘Well, the quarterback was hurt for this game, or you missed whoever for another game.' Did you win or lose? That's it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Still dont know how he has a Job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Not sure I see what was so wrong with what Reese said that warranted that sort of response. I'm not standing up for the guy just seems pretty harmless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Not sure I see what was so wrong with what Reese said that warranted that sort of response. I'm not standing up for the guy just seems pretty harmless Basically him STILL throwing Coughlin under the bus and not taking any blame for the current state of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Not sure I see what was so wrong with what Reese said that warranted that sort of response. I'm not standing up for the guy just seems pretty harmless I just think most people are annoyed with his "We were a playoff team if we could finish games" bit every time he's asked about the season. Every off season he seems to come up with an excuse as to why the Giants have been a mediocre and declining team the past five seasons. The coaching, the players, the injuries, the schedule, whatever else he can come up with, he's pretty good at deflecting any blame away from him. Would be nice to see an article from Little Bitch Mara one day saying "Shut the fuck up JR and do your job" But he's not his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lughead Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Reece was handed the keys to the house with the cupboards stocked from wholefoods.....he then replaced the stock from save-a-lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 With respect to what he said, he's right.. we did lose games because of coaching decisions that were questionable... case in point: Going for it o 4th down against the Jets instead of kicking a very short FG.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 With respect to what he said, he's right.. we did lose games because of coaching decisions that were questionable... case in point: Going for it o 4th down against the Jets instead of kicking a very short FG.... To which the Jets responded with back to back TD drives that would've just beaten us in regulation rather than on a missed fg in overtime. That happened against the "playoff defense" that Jerry Reese put together. Stop making excuses for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 To which the Jets responded with back to back TD drives that would've just beaten us in regulation rather than on a missed fg in overtime. That happened against the "playoff defense" that Jerry Reese put together. Stop making excuses for him. I would not have gotten to overtime.... Not making excuses as much as we all saw a rash of questionable decisions indicative of diminished judgement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Repeatedly collapsing in the last 3 minutes is not a roster issue, it's a coaching issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I would not have gotten to overtime.... Not making excuses as much as we all saw a rash of questionable decisions indicative of diminished judgement...It wouldn't have gotten to ot. It would've ended the game in regulation with a loss. And yea... the first Dallas game... I'll give you that... to a point, because a competent Defense still could've stopped the Cowboys from driving the length of the field for a gw TD. Jets, Patriots, Saints games among others came down to the fact that the talent just wasn't there and hasn't been there in years. Reese gets no passes, excuses, nor "benefits of the doubt". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Repeatedly collapsing in the last 3 minutes is not a roster issue, it's a coaching issue. So you believe we were a playoff team? You believe that the 2015 Giants were contenders for a Super Bowl? You believe that another coach could've taken the trash that we had to trot onto the field into the playoffs and made us a threat to anyone? Or are you just playing Devil's Advocate for Reese again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Repeatedly collapsing in the last 3 minutes is not a roster issue, it's a coaching issue. The Gints gave up 60+ yard winning drives in the final two minutes of the game multiple times last season. A starting LB/DE/Safety who could of made a single play on a sack/pick/deflection/tackle that wasnt made probably stops that from happening. Or a starting WR/Oline/RB who picks up a first down/catches a pass/breaks a tackle probably doesnt give the other team a chance to win. The team doesnt have playmakers (besides OBJ) on it, it doesnt even have a starting quality players at most positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So you believe we were a playoff team? You believe that the 2015 Giants were contenders for a Super Bowl? You believe that another coach could've taken the trash that we had to trot onto the field into the playoffs and made us a threat to anyone? Or are you just playing Devil's Advocate for Reese again? I believe that, given the shit show that was the NFC East, the blame for not making the playoffs was entirely placed on the head of the person responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I believe that, given the shit show that was the NFC East, the blame for not making the playoffs was entirely placed on the head of the person responsible. By who? Mara and Tisch who basically put that same GM on notice? Cause if that's the case that's not much of an endorsement. There's blame to go both ways, but the majority of the blame belongs to Reese and he skated through it and continues to deflect responsibility to everyone other than himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Bill Cowher would have slapped that idiotic statement right back into JR's mouth as it happened, effectively erasing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 By who? Mara and Tisch who basically put that same GM on notice? Cause if that's the case that's not much of an endorsement. There's blame to go both ways, but the majority of the blame belongs to Reese and he skated through it and continues to deflect responsibility to everyone other than himself. What in-game adjustments should Reese have made to prevent those 5 or so last-3-minute losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 What in-game adjustments should Reese have made to prevent those 5 or so last-3-minute losses? None. His job is to provide the coaching staff with NFL Caliber players which he did not do on a consistent basis. This has been pointed out multiple times, but if JPP and Prince aren't re-signed (assuming the 2012 class is allowed to walk too) we will have 1 player (Zak DeOssie) on the roster from drafts prior to 2013. When was the last time we brought in an impact lb? In fact... no reason to keep repeating things. http://www.sportswrath.com/index.php?showtopic=54090&page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I saw this on BBI too, have the response as well. They're both right, Jerry Reese and Bill Parcells. Right up until the beginning of next season we will be thinking on how close we were in those games and how different the season would have turned out. We won't care about how close we were once the next season begins and we have an opportunity to do better. Five years from now we'll just see 2015 6-10 third place in the division and few of us will remember how close it was to being a 10-6 season or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 None. His job is to provide the coaching staff with NFL Caliber players which he did not do on a consistent basis. This has been pointed out multiple times, but if JPP and Prince aren't re-signed (assuming the 2012 class is allowed to walk too) we will have 1 player (Zak DeOssie) on the roster from drafts prior to 2013. When was the last time we brought in an impact lb? In fact... no reason to keep repeating things. http://www.sportswrath.com/index.php?showtopic=54090&page=1 There really isn't any point, as you're somehow convinced the coaching staff play no role in W's and L's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 And where did you get that conclusion from, Tree? I specifically said both parties were to blame, but Reese deserved the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm honestly at a loss as to how anyone can think there wasn't enough talent on the field to win at least 4-5 more games when we were winning those very same games up until the last few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It wouldn't have gotten to ot. It would've ended the game in regulation with a loss. And yea... the first Dallas game... I'll give you that... to a point, because a competent Defense still could've stopped the Cowboys from driving the length of the field for a gw TD. Jets, Patriots, Saints games among others came down to the fact that the talent just wasn't there and hasn't been there in years. Reese gets no passes, excuses, nor "benefits of the doubt". Bro the Jets game stood out to me like a sore thumb... I was watching it in a bar with friends and I told them right there and then we were going to be stopped on that 4th down and will lose the game... The Jets would have needed to drive the entire field TWICE and that's with us not adding any more points to the board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balloonknot Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm honestly at a loss as to how anyone can think there wasn't enough talent on the field to win at least 4-5 more games when we were winning those very same games up until the last few minutes. Depends on how you look at it Tree. I would argue it was fantastic coaching that even got us that close to winning those games in the 1st place considering the complete lack of talent across most of the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm honestly at a loss as to how anyone can think there wasn't enough talent on the field to win at least 4-5 more games when we were winning those very same games up until the last few minutes.Explosive offense, opportunistic defense. Not sustainable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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