GA4M Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Plus look at the players McAdoo had to work with, maybe things will do better this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Our offense started looking pretty decent in the second half. Line should be average at worst now, and vereens a valuable weapon. I think we'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Our offense started looking pretty decent in the second half. Line should be average at worst now, and vereens a valuable weapon. I think we'll be fine Plus I'm getting my fanduel hunger going.....I want one of those big pools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Plus I'm getting my fanduel hunger going.....I want one of those big pools! Haha oh man don't trigger me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I think its a simple question of whether asking JPP to walk out the door or keeping him on the team will hurt us more. Im thinking the latter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I wonder if JPP is tradable? Maybe get another O-lineman or a veteran safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 I wonder if JPP is tradable? Maybe get another O-lineman or a veteran safety? lol yeah sure, anyone who has cap space interested in a DE who might play a full season when available for more than 60 million for 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balloonknot Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 lol yeah sure, anyone who has cap space interested in a 9 fingered DE who might play a full season when available for more than 60 million for 4 years. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 lol yeah sure, anyone who has cap space interested in a DE who might play a full season when available for more than 60 million for 4 years. Well when you trade, don't you pick up the other guy's contract too? They don't need a lot of cap space if they're freeing some up in the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Well when you trade, don't you pick up the other guy's contract too? They don't need a lot of cap space if they're freeing some up in the trade. I don't think you can trade a guy who isnt even on your team. I mean unless we sign JPP to a franchise tag but the Giant's HAVE to pay JPP his guaranteed money, just how the CBA works, so it would basically be, we pay another team to take JPP off our hands. What happens to a player who doesnt sign their franchise tag anyways? Does he sit in limbo for a year and the NFLPA sues the shit out of the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 I don't think you can trade a guy who isnt even on your team. I mean unless we sign JPP to a franchise tag but the Giant's HAVE to pay JPP his guaranteed money, just how the CBA works, so it would basically be, we pay another team to take JPP off our hands. What happens to a player who doesnt sign their franchise tag anyways? Does he sit in limbo for a year and the NFLPA sues the shit out of the team? He has to sign or not play. Giants could still signed him to a contract and then traded him with the next team then capable of signing him to a long term deal or franchise taggin him at the end of the season, if he could pass a physical. Now he has not signed because he would run the real risk of being placed on Non Football Related Injury IR which would cost him 6 weeks salary. It really is simple: Giants need JPP now as much as they did back in February and his injury hasn't changed that fact. JPP will play this season for the Giants and then a decision will be made. You are as stupid now if you cut him now as if you didn't franchise tag him back in February. Feeling just as stupid as the other team that would have signed him for more money if the Giants didn't franchise tag him in the first place. Giants are probably not going to see a 100% JPP until October while he gets paid 4 weeks to heal. An asshole would put him out there and burn him. Subpar season, further injury aggravation, drop in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 He has to sign or not play. Giants could still signed him to a contract and then traded him with the next team then capable of signing him to a long term deal or franchise taggin him at the end of the season, if he could pass a physical. Now he has not signed because he would run the real risk of being placed on Non Football Related Injury IR which would cost him 6 weeks salary. It really is simple: Giants need JPP now as much as they did back in February and his injury hasn't changed that fact. JPP will play this season for the Giants and then a decision will be made. You are as stupid now if you cut him now as if you didn't franchise tag him back in February. Feeling just as stupid as the other team that would have signed him for more money if the Giants didn't franchise tag him in the first place. Giants are probably not going to see a 100% JPP until October while he gets paid 4 weeks to heal. An asshole would put him out there and burn him. Subpar season, further injury aggravation, drop in value. Well, with Tom Coughlin's stellar track record of managing injured players, I have full confidence that JPP will have all the time to heal that he needs and will surely come back at 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 But as former Giants offensive lineman Rich Seubert noted, guys play with injury all the time in the NFL. They tape their fingers with regularity. Pierre-Paul's situation won't be much different. It won't provide the offensive linemen with a huge weakness to attack. "I think it's silly [to assume it will affect him greatly]," Seubert said. "We all played through injuries. I played through a bunch of injuries. Everyone I know played through a bunch of injuries. "Losing a finger, I'm sure it's going to affect you a little bit, but it's not like [offensive linemen are] going to punch it, go for it. You can't grab it, right? It's not there. So he'll be fine." http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/07/justin_tuck_has_talked_to_giants_defensive_end_jas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Uhhh...someone should tell Richie that offensive lineman also don't have to sack the quarterback or pull down ball carriers. It's a little different when a defensive lineman loses a finger, especially one who is above average against the run and is consistently asked to drag down ball carriers. It will affect him, it might not be a big impact, but Rich shouldn't act like it's nothing losing a finger simply because off the snap, JPP shouldn't be holding anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Uhhh...someone should tell Richie that offensive lineman also don't have to sack the quarterback or pull down ball carriers. It's a little different when a defensive lineman loses a finger, especially one who is above average against the run and is consistently asked to drag down ball carriers. It will affect him, it might not be a big impact, but Rich shouldn't act like it's nothing losing a finger simply because off the snap, JPP shouldn't be holding anyone. Its a finger, singular, one finger, and not all of the fingers. Yes he will have a one finger disadvantage over everyone who has ten yet considering he has had a speed, height, weight, experience and training advantage; I believe he will manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Its a finger, singular, one finger, and not all of the fingers. Yes he will have a one finger disadvantage over everyone who has ten yet considering he has had a speed, height, weight, experience and training advantage; I believe he will manage. He also broke his thumb, and since there's a pin in it there's a good chance it's shattered. Let's not forget nerve damage and scarring to the other digits as well. We'll see if it affects him. He hasn't been great the past 3 seasons or so to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 He also broke his thumb, and since there's a pin in it there's a good chance it's shattered. Let's not forget nerve damage and scarring to the other digits as well. We'll see if it affects him. He hasn't been great the past 3 seasons or so to begin with. and possibly the nail on the thumb. At this point we sit and wait till JPP signs the contract and takes a physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 and possibly the nail on the thumb. At this point we sit and wait till JPP signs the contract and takes a physical. I think they will make him take the physical before the let him sign the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think they will make him take the physical before the let him sign the contract. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1573683/000104746913009713/a2216998zex-10_3.htm pretty sure they all use a similar contract. First they sign, then they get examined and if they fail the contract is voidable by team discretion. I know it sounds strange but Peyton signed his contract back in march and it was validated by his ability to pass his physical as far as I can tell. Or maybe he verbally agrees to the contract, takes physical and passes then signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1573683/000104746913009713/a2216998zex-10_3.htm pretty sure they all use a similar contract. First they sign, then they get examined and if they fail the contract is voidable by team discretion. I know it sounds strange but Peyton signed his contract back in march and it was validated by his ability to pass his physical as far as I can tell. Or maybe he verbally agrees to the contract, takes physical and passes then signs. Does the franchise tag work that way though? I thought it was guaranteed money, i.e. he signs the dotted line and he gets his money even if he ends up on IR for the year, it's one of the disadvantages of the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 Does the franchise tag work that way though? I thought it was guaranteed money, i.e. he signs the dotted line and he gets his money even if he ends up on IR for the year, it's one of the disadvantages of the franchise tag. If he gets hurt after passing the physical and it is football related, yeah he gets paid. The franchise tag is more of a weekly check than a guarantee. If he does not play in Sept, he loses that portion of the money. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/11/if-giants-guarantee-salary-jpp-will-return-by-week-one/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 If he gets hurt after passing the physical and it is football related, yeah he gets paid. The franchise tag is more of a weekly check than a guarantee. If he does not play in Sept, he loses that portion of the money. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/11/if-giants-guarantee-salary-jpp-will-return-by-week-one/ Right. Which he why he doesn't want to sign it. They would most likely put him on the NFR IR and he loses six weeks of pay. At this point though he either signs or doesn't play for a whole year. I think the deadline has passed where he can't even sign with another team if they rescinded the tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I know its easy to point the finger at his stupidity, but i wont kick a man when he is down. Some hot chick probably asked him for his digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 some pics of JPP in a sling ........ not going to be back soon ! http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/exclusive-photos-jason-pierre-paul-fireworks-accident-article-1.2310965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 He spent 10 days in a hospital and is still in a sling nearly a month later. I'd say it's going to be pretty serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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