Jason Pierre-Paul injured

[Allstarjim]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1bf_1436201220

 

Yeah, that is definitely not him. My nephew who spends a lot of his non-working waking hours on the internet says that pic is old and from a meat-grinding accident. Also, JPP has tattoos not shown there.

Check it... same right wrist: https://instagram.com/p/1wr3z1j2Kd/?taken-by=iamjasonpierrepaul

[Storm]

 

I call bullshit.

 

Yeah that picture has been around on the internet for years.

[gmenroc]

Whether that picture is an actual picture or not, I'm betting JPP's hand was not much better.

 

As for the broken thumb, I'd be interested in knowing the extent of that. You hit your thumb with a hammer, in the middle, it may only break in one spot. Depending on the force of the explosion, the thumb may be shattered or broken in multiple places. I'm guessing that's the case if they're talking about having had to insert pins.

 

I know with my friend, he had pins in his hand from his fireworks accident, even after his thumb was gone. The pins actually stuck out through the skin. Of course, they were wrapped to the point his whole hand was covered, but from what he told me, changing the bandages and touching the extruding pins was enough to drop him to a knee. I can't begin to imagine how you'd play football...there's just no way. Now if the pins are all strictly internal, then it may be a little different.

[Sephiroth]

I wanted him to stay, but at this point you might want to see what you get for him in a trade.

 

Also, a big "I told you so" to everyone who said he deserved a J.J. Watt type contract. Thank God we didn't open the wallet for this guy.

[gmenroc]

I wanted him to stay, but at this point you might want to see what you get for him in a trade.

 

Also, a big "I told you so" to everyone who said he deserved a J.J. Watt type contract. Thank God we didn't open the wallet for this guy.

 

Can't trade a player who isn't under contract.

[Mr. P]

What is an index finger amputation and how long will Giants' Jason Pierre-Paul's recovery take?

 

 

After several days of misinformation, unsubstantiated rumors, and possibly a gross invasion of privacy, we finally know, at least partially, the extent of Jason Pierre-Paul's hand injuries from a July 4th fireworks accident.

A screenshot of Pierre-Paul's medical report obtained by ESPN showed that the Giants defensive end had a right index finger amputation, as well as possible skin grafts to his arm and hand. Pierre-Paul reportedly also has a fracture in another part of his hand.

While the word "amputation" immediately conjures up gruesome images in the anxious hearts and minds of Giants fans hoping for Pierre-Paul's speedy return to the field, in this case, the removal of his damaged extremity might actually expedite his return to the field.

In fact, while we consider the index (or "pointer") finger to be a crucially important digit, there is reason to believe that, for Pierre-Paul's function as a defensive end, it might not be all that important at all.

Dr. Samantha Muhlrad, an orthopedic hand specialist at Stony Brook University Medical Center, that while recovery timelines for index finger amputations are hard to estimate given the variations in the type of injury, Pierre-Paul should regain his ability to grip and push off without limitations.

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"He should be able to do some weight lifting as soon as he gets out of the hospital," Dr. Muhlrad said. "The majority of the strength of the hand comes form the ulnar or the pinkie side of his hand. He probably will maintain a large amount of the strength in his hand, so that's a good thing."

Muhlrad's opinion is backed up by Dr. David Chao, a former NFL team physician, who took to Twitter on Wednesday night to give his medical opinion on Pierre-Paul's injury, based on the information at hand.

Chao also said that the skin graft procedure Pierre-Paul underwent (per his leaked file), is a best-case scenario in terms of a quick recovery. He added (again, without examining Pierre-Paul or being able to view his medical files) that he expected Pierre-Paul to play again this season, provided there is not further damage to his hand/arm that has not been disclosed.

A possible X-factor for Pierre-Paul's recovery is whether he indeed had what is known as a "ray resection" amputation, which was listed on his leaked medical file. Muhlrad said that this type of procedure could possibly affect the hand as well, and is typically performed to improve hand function, as well as for cosmetic purposes.

Muhlrad said it's not clear from the file whether Pierre-Paul actually had this procedure, as doctors will often list multiple preliminary surgery options before actually operating.

Muhlrad added that Pierre-Paul's physical condition as a professional athlete and the availability of resources for rehabilitation at his disposal gives him an advantage over typical amputee patients.

"The recovery is hard to estimate," Dr. Muhlrad said. "Patients are so different, and depending on soft tissue damage, things can vary. It can take up to a month for recovery, but I'm sure he will recover much faster than normal person, because he's a professional athlete and he'll have great support."

Of course, a full medical recovery and a full football recovery are two separate issues. Some former defensive linemen have already chimed in on the difficulty Pierre-Paul might have regaining his form as a guy who can get you double digit sacks without an index finger.

But regarding his overall health, Pierre-Paul is lucky to have come out of the fireworks accident with what looks to be a good prognosis.

 

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/07/what_is_an_index_finger_amputation_and_how_long_wi.html

[CrazedDogs]

I recall some defensive linemen playing well with full casts over a hand. It isn't necessarily a career killer.

[echochamber]

I recall some defensive linemen playing well with full casts over a hand. It isn't necessarily a career killer.

On the field I doubt there would be any issues. What concerns me is weight training. Would that be impacted?

[Tempest]

On the field I doubt there would be any issues. What concerns me is weight training. Would that be impacted?

 

once again, it is a finger and not a hand. Weight lifting is not done with fingers.

[Allstarjim]

The article Pdub posted indicates weight lifting shouldn't be a problem. It makes sense. Your hand/arms bear the weight, the fingers just grip them so they don't move in in or off your hand.

 

Personally, I don't know what to make of this. I think that it's likely that this injury will have him missing significant time. To me, it's very strange he did not let the Giants visit with him in the hospital or examine his hand. I'm sure this came at the advice of his agent. So my thinking is there is concern on the agent's part they will pull the franchise tender (is this possible at this point?).

 

I don't think he would get a significant long term deal from ANY team in the wake of this injury, without a physical that included a serious examination of his hand. And even if that occurred, I still believe he doesn't get the deal he wants without a 'prove it' year. Teams will be shy about paying $15 million per year without knowing for sure how the injury is going to affect his on-field performance.

 

I would think ALL contracts, including a franchise tender, would have a clause making it contingent on passing a physical. In the interests of the Giants, I hope this is the case. If he is going to miss any more than 3 or 4 games, I'm pulling that franchise tender and negotiating a new deal that protects the team.

[fringe]

My concern is it will be harder for him to Olé a running back turning the corner on him.

[Virginia Giant]

 

once again, it is a finger and not a hand. Weight lifting is not done with fingers.

 

 

Never done a dead lift?

[CrazedDogs]

Yeah, the fingers don't actually lift anything.

 

Move your hand/fingers and watch the muscles in your forearm move --- you will see that the bigger muscles are actually attached to the outer fingers. I doubt he will lose much grip strength, at least as it applies to weight lifting.

[Tempest]

 

 

Never done a dead lift?

 

LOL nooo that is powerlifting, have you? I have seen it done many a times and I keep seeing all the things I will do wrong and bust my ass. So do the fingers do the lifting or are they just used to grip the bar?

[Storm]

 

LOL nooo that is powerlifting, have you? I have seen it done many a times and I keep seeing all the things I will do wrong and bust my ass. So do the fingers do the lifting or are they just used to grip the bar?

 

The key is all in form...a little guy can dead lift a ton if they get the form right...much more difficult for tall dudes. Once you're in the correct position, if you lock your back in a straight position, and isolate your leg muscles and lower back, you're fine, it's not dangerous at all. Rounded upper back and shoulders spells disaster, though.

 

I could see the index finger messing with your grip, especially the balance of where the bar is set in your hands...but just messing around tightening my grip on things, I do see that the outside fingers are much more involved in the overall strength of a grip. But it's hard to believe that missing an index wouldn't, at the least, take some to get used to and figure out how to compensate.

[Tempest]

 

The key is all in form...a little guy can dead lift a ton if they get the form right...much more difficult for tall dudes. Once you're in the correct position, if you lock your back in a straight position, and isolate your leg muscles and lower back, you're fine, it's not dangerous at all. Rounded upper back and shoulders spells disaster, though.

 

I could see the index finger messing with your grip, especially the balance of where the bar is set in your hands...but just messing around tightening my grip on things, I do see that the outside fingers are much more involved in the overall strength of a grip. But it's hard to believe that missing an index wouldn't, at the least, take some to get used to and figure out how to compensate.

 

Yeah it will definitely take some getting used to as far as grip. JPP might get a couple of flags this season flipping the wrong finger out during the game though

[BronxRik]

 

 

Never done a dead lift?

 

Every time I get up.

[Bigblue25]

Good read here...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000500955/article/jason-pierrepaul-has-worn-out-welcome-with-new-york-giants

[Tempest]

Good read here...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000500955/article/jason-pierrepaul-has-worn-out-welcome-with-new-york-giants

 

Alright that was just silly.

[Bigblue25]

 

Alright that was just silly.

Why is it silly? He said what most of us have been saying

[Virginia Giant]

 

LOL nooo that is powerlifting, have you? I have seen it done many a times and I keep seeing all the things I will do wrong and bust my ass. So do the fingers do the lifting or are they just used to grip the bar?

 

 

I used to be a power lifter of sorts. Deadlifts are one of the essential full body lifts athletes use. A missing index finger could make that particular lift a little more tricky.

[Tempest]

Why is it silly? He said what most of us have been saying

 

The anger at what he did I understand as well as the whole idiot, dumbass, moron, etc. description of this whole easily avoidable situation. Emotions aside and look at this clearly I understand that letting JPP walk without making an offer or getting something in return is a bad idea. JPP doesn't owe the Giants anything and it works both ways. I don't agree with how he has handled the situation and I put the blame on him and his agent.

 

Article is silly when Schein states the Giants organization should make some sort of action. Giants already did when they withdrew the long term deal. JPP not under contract is allowed to undergo any medical procedure without the Giants knowledge or consent. Schein continues sharing his opinion that JPP wasn't even good enough to keep around the last three seasons and is actually a non-factor in games. Got all his sacks against bad teams at the end of a bad season and didn't show up against better teams earlier in the season.

 

Can't deny that, yet we still credit Manning and McAdoo for having a 10th rank offense that showed up right around the same time those bad teams did too. It is a team sport and I think the team is better with JPP than without him for this season. We were ranked 30th against the run last season, yes it can still get worse.

[Bigblue25]

 

The anger at what he did I understand as well as the whole idiot, dumbass, moron, etc. description of this whole easily avoidable situation. Emotions aside and look at this clearly I understand that letting JPP walk without making an offer or getting something in return is a bad idea. JPP doesn't owe the Giants anything and it works both ways. I don't agree with how he has handled the situation and I put the blame on him and his agent.

 

Article is silly when Schein states the Giants organization should make some sort of action. Giants already did when they withdrew the long term deal. JPP not under contract is allowed to undergo any medical procedure without the Giants knowledge or consent. Schein continues the argue sharing his opinion that JPP wasn't even good enough to keep around the last three seasons and is actually a non-factor in games. Got all his sacks against bad teams at the end of a bad season and didn't show up against better teams earlier in the season.

 

Can't deny that, yet we still credit Manning and McAdoo for having a 10th rank offense that showed up right around the same time those bad teams did too. It is a team sport and I think the team is better with JPP than without him for this season. We were ranked 30th against the run last season, yes it can still get worse.

 

You do have a point...60 of OBJ's 91 receptions came in the final six weeks. The offense was shut out at Philly, put up 5 int's against San Francisco, It was the offense that blew the Jax game etc.

[Sephiroth]

Can't deny that, yet we still credit Manning and McAdoo for having a 10th rank offense that showed up right around the same time those bad teams did too. It is a team sport and I think the team is better with JPP than without him for this season. We were ranked 30th against the run last season, yes it can still get worse.

 

Yeah, I was never on the McAdoo wagon. He was probably better than Gilly, but his offense didn't really do much for the first half of the season.

[Storm]

You do have a point...60 of OBJ's 91 receptions came in the final six weeks. The offense was shut out at Philly, put up 5 int's against San Francisco, It was the offense that blew the Jax game etc.

 

Keep in mind that Beckham wasn't available for the first 4 games and was likely still sore and less than 100% for the next 2 or so games. Also, Spagnuolo got a pass in 2007 when his defense was poor for the first half of the season, why wouldn't we give McAdoo the benefit of the doubt and say that it took some time to get the offense where he wanted it to be? It's all relative.