Allstarjim Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 So because the Falcons were pumping in crowd noise the last two seasons, the NFL is expected to hand down discipline no later than Tuesday, which according to ESPN, is going to involve the loss of a draft pick. If it's a first rounder, that moves us up to the 8th pick in the draft. Of course, it will help us and every other team, but the loss of a first will help the most. Be strict, NFL! No link, posting from phone, but will add the link later if someone else does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Story is on ESPN...only question now is the actual punishment handed down coupled with whatever appeals may occur. Given the timing, the pick may have to come from next draft...not to mention, with this year's draft order set, it'd almost give an unfair advantage to the other teams in that the 7 picking ahead of them would not move up a spot whereas the 24 picking behind them would all move up...and that would go for whatever round THIS year that they'd lose the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Did the Patriots get penalized at all for... you know... cheating to get to the Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Did the Patriots get penalized at all for... you know... cheating to get to the Super Bowl? I really don't see anything they have done that any other team in this league doesnt already do. I think it's a reason why you don't hear anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Did the Patriots get penalized at all for... you know... cheating to get to the Super Bowl? That was my thought exactly. It's as if they brushed the deflate-gate under the rug until after the draft. It'd be great if Atlanta and New England lost their first rounder. That'd move us up to 8th and 38th. Regardless, I'm glad some team is finally getting punished for pumping in crowd noise. Seattle got away with that for years until complaints made them stop. They should have lost several draft picks for that crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Story is on ESPN...only question now is the actual punishment handed down coupled with whatever appeals may occur. Given the timing, the pick may have to come from next draft...not to mention, with this year's draft order set, it'd almost give an unfair advantage to the other teams in that the 7 picking ahead of them would not move up a spot whereas the 24 picking behind them would all move up...and that would go for whatever round THIS year that they'd lose the pick. I can't see it being a first round pick. Maybe a couple second round picks, maybe a combination of a second and third but the NFL isnt going to take first round picks away from a struggling franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Link - http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12586639/nfl-expected-take-draft-pick-atlanta-falcons-suspend-team-president-rich-mckay-competition-committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Adam Caplan retweeted vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 2m2 minutes ago Falcons fifth-round draft pick will be taken away in 2016, NFL says. Will be the highest of multiple fifth-round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 thats it? Shit.... may as well start pumping in the noise now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yes I doubt it will be a 1st rounder, but because it affected competitive balance, I do expect it will be not be a lower round pick than a 3rd. My guess is the forfeiture of one 2nd rounder either this year or next. It really doesn't matter about other teams, as even teams with picks in the next round would move up one spot, i.e., if the falcons lost their #8 pick (1st round) this year, then it still helps Tampa and the other teams that pick before them, as their 2nd rounder would still move up one spot as well. I don't think this is something that is seriously considered by the NFL when determining the punitive action of forfeiture of a team's pick, anyway. It harms the Falcons more than it helps any other one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 WTF, just saw that. A fifth rounder? Can we shoot lasers in the opponents eyes, then? Would that only be worth a 4th? This is not a serious deterrent. NFL fucks it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I say we do it every year if the NFL PROMISES to take away the Giants 3rd round pick. Jerry Reese pretty much makes sure we have no third-round pick anyway based on most of his selections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I say we do it every year if the NFL PROMISES to take away the Giants 3rd round pick. Jerry Reese pretty much makes sure we have no third-round pick anyway based on most of his selections. I'd just like to know of all the HoF third round picks you can name of the top of your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'd just like to know of all the HoF third round picks you can name of the top of your head. I'm not asking for Hall of Famers, but if we could pick more Justin Tucks and less Jayron Hosleys and Jerrell Jernigans, I'd be pretty stoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 A fifth rounder? That's it????? Why even bother. The success rate of players drafted after the fourth round making it in the NFL is like 0.7%...An NFL team might as well pump in all the extra crowd volume they want, and just part ways with a fifth rounder each year... that investment is more useful than the draft pick itself if it's only a fifth rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm not asking for Hall of Famers, but if we could pick more Justin Tucks and less Jayron Hosleys and Jerrell Jernigans, I'd be pretty stoked. as says every team about their 3rd round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 as says every team about their 3rd round picks. I remember reading an article about NFL GMs a few years back that basically said every GM expects that their 1st rounder will be a high-impact player/Pro Bowler type, the 2nd and 3rd round guys will be solid starters, 4th-5th round are role players and everyone else are basically "jackpot" type guys. This idea that GMs don't expect production out of third-rounders is hogwash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I remember reading an article about NFL GMs a few years back that basically said every GM expects that their 1st rounder will be a high-impact player/Pro Bowler type, the 2nd and 3rd round guys will be solid starters, 4th-5th round are role players and everyone else are basically "jackpot" type guys. This idea that GMs don't expect production out of third-rounders is hogwash. They expect it, but doesnt mean it's automatic. I'd love to see the GM that has been able to get a solid 10 year starter out of every single one of their 2nd and 3rd round picks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I remember reading an article about NFL GMs a few years back that basically said every GM expects that their 1st rounder will be a high-impact player/Pro Bowler type, the 2nd and 3rd round guys will be solid starters, 4th-5th round are role players and everyone else are basically "jackpot" type guys. This idea that GMs don't expect production out of third-rounders is hogwash. and contrast that with a list of 3rd round picks. not a high percentage of "solid starters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 They expect it, but doesnt mean it's automatic. I'd love to see the GM that has been able to get a solid 10 year starter out of every single one of their 2nd and 3rd round picks though. I don't think it should be every single one either, but I'd bet the Giants aren't even getting 10% starters out of their third round guys in the past 20 years or so. and contrast that with a list of 3rd round picks. not a high percentage of "solid starters". True, but I'd bet its better than the Giants' percentages. Off the top of my head I can think of Tuck and Manningham and that's about it. George Young used to find quality in that round... why can't Reese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 3rd rounders dating back to 1999 DT Jay Bromley DE Damontre Moore DB Jayron Hosley WR Jerrell Jernigan DB Chad Jones WR Ramses Barden TE Travis Beckham WR Mario Manningham DT Jay Alford LB Gerris Wilkinson DE Justin Tuck TE Visanthe Shiancoe OT Jeff Hatch DB Will Peterson WR Ron Dixon TE Dan Campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Patriots (only because they have one of the best records since 1999 and because it's generally accepted that they draft well) picks dating back to 1999 DB Logan Ryan DB Duron Harmon DE Jake Bequette RB Stevan Ridley QB Ryan Mallett WR Taylor Price WR Brandon Tate LB Tyrone McKenzie LB Shawn Crable QB Kevin O'Connell TE David Thomas DB Ellis Hobbs OT Nick Kaczur DB Guss Scott DB Brock Williams RB JR Redmond DB Tony George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 3rd rounders dating back to 1999 DT Jay Bromley DE Damontre Moore DB Jayron Hosley WR Jerrell Jernigan DB Chad Jones WR Ramses Barden TE Travis Beckham WR Mario Manningham DT Jay Alford LB Gerris Wilkinson DE Justin Tuck TE Visanthe Shiancoe OT Jeff Hatch DB Will Peterson WR Ron Dixon TE Dan Campbell Fucking Jay Alford... boy that dude was on the rise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ravens are also considered one of the better drafting teams: S Terrence Brooks TE Crocket Gilmore DT Brandon Williams RB Bernard Pierce OT Jah Reid TE Ed Dickson CB Ladarius Webb LB Tavares Gooden S Tom Zbikowski OT Oniel Cousins WR Yamon Figurs OT Marshal Yonda CB David Pittman WR Devard Darling RB Musa Smith C Casey Rabach QB Chris Redman it's funny, the giants are also considered one of the better drafting teams, at least according to nfl.com in 2013: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000163276/article/ranking-the-5-nfl-teams-that-are-best-at-drafting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 3rd rounders dating back to 1999 DT Jay Bromley DE Damontre Moore DB Jayron Hosley WR Jerrell Jernigan DB Chad Jones WR Ramses Barden TE Travis Beckham WR Mario Manningham DT Jay Alford LB Gerris Wilkinson DE Justin Tuck TE Visanthe Shiancoe OT Jeff Hatch DB Will Peterson WR Ron Dixon TE Dan Campbell I have to admit, that list looks pretty good. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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