Nas Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/12/offense_making_progress_and_whats_the_deal_with_corey_washington_giants_offensive_observations.html Corey Washington playing time Coughlin tried to explain rookie wide receiver Corey Washington's playing time (or lack thereof) earlier in the week. Washington was on the field for one snap against the Redskins even with starter Rueben Randle benched for the second time in three games early in last Sunday's contest. Washington is clearly behind Kevin Ogletree on the depth chart. The rookie only came on the field for his one snap because Preston Parker got banged up and the Giants were out of options. Washington caught a pass for four yards on that play. He has five catch for 52 yards and a touchdown on 54 snaps this season. That's a reception every 10 or so snaps. Rookie phenom Odell Beckham averages a reception every nine or so snaps. So why isn't Washington on the field more? What does he have to do? "Do a better job on the practice field. Do a better job all around," coach Tom Coughlin said. "My standard operating procedure is I like to have the fourth and the fifth receivers be outstanding contributors on special teams. We're not there right now. That would help a lot. Corey can be and has been on our punt return and our kickoff return team. I'd like to see him improve in that area as well." Consider me confused. He can't play offense because he's not good enough yet on special teams? Washington is 6-4 and has produced every time he's been put on the field this year, whether it be training camp, preseason or the regular season. Coughlin insists it's not a matter of learning the offense either. Washington has that part down. "No, he does a good job," Coughlin said. "He can play multiple positions from the standpoint of knowing what to do. He's done that from day one. He does have to, obviously, become better at his job." So why can't he get some more snaps on offense, especially with the season long lost? Consider me confused on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This is part of the 'Coughlin Code' that bugs me. Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach, borderline Hall of Famer, but it would seem to me that certain players are going to have superior skills in one area, that don't translate to others. Odell Beckham was a first round pick, missed basically all of camp, and preseason. He did not have to 'earn' his way onto the first team offense because he clearly has the talent to improve the offense with his presence. Because Washington was not a first rounder, I believe undrafted, he somehow has to be a great gunner or something before he can help the team on offense? Clearly, Washington has ability, and clearly, the Giants have a need at starting receiver opposite Beckham, because of the lack of improvement by Randle, and the talent drop-off at the position behind him. A coach's job should be to put the best players in the most optimal positions to help the team win games. I think Washington's talent is being wasted, and he's demonstrated ability as a weapon already enough for everyone to see that he should get more snaps to prove he can be a starter at the highest level, especially given this is not a playoff team, and given Randle's struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 there's no reason not to give him a shot in a lost season with wr's hurt or benched. playing ogletree over him is a waste of snaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This is part of the 'Coughlin Code' that bugs me. Don't get me wrong, he's a great coach, borderline Hall of Famer, but it would seem to me that certain players are going to have superior skills in one area, that don't translate to others. Odell Beckham was a first round pick, missed basically all of camp, and preseason. He did not have to 'earn' his way onto the first team offense because he clearly has the talent to improve the offense with his presence. Because Washington was not a first rounder, I believe undrafted, he somehow has to be a great gunner or something before he can help the team on offense? Clearly, Washington has ability, and clearly, the Giants have a need at starting receiver opposite Beckham, because of the lack of improvement by Randle, and the talent drop-off at the position behind him. A coach's job should be to put the best players in the most optimal positions to help the team win games. I think Washington's talent is being wasted, and he's demonstrated ability as a weapon already enough for everyone to see that he should get more snaps to prove he can be a starter at the highest level, especially given this is not a playoff team, and given Randle's struggles. Kinda like the talent we are wasting with Moore, oh wait. How many undrafted players have we watched in pre-season light up a game against third string scrub to not do anything in the regular season? Cruz is the only exception I can think of. Coughlin has been a WRs/Offensive guy his entire life, if anything I would take his opinion over some sports beat writer tying to make some story over a losing teams final two games. Do people not remember where Odell first got experience when he got back from injuries? Returning kicks and punts, on special teams. Maybe just maybe, there isn't a "Coughlin code" like everyone here seems to think there is, that he's against playing rookies or letting talent sit on the bench. Or yeah maybe people are right and every single coach on the Giants is saying "Oh Washington is our next starting WR, but we don't want him on the field for reasons" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizan Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This is the one thing that bugs me about TC. These last two games we should be figuring out what we have on the roster. Washington should be getting more snaps on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Kinda like the talent we are wasting with Moore, oh wait. How many undrafted players have we watched in pre-season light up a game against third string scrub to not do anything in the regular season? Cruz is the only exception I can think of. Coughlin has been a WRs/Offensive guy his entire life, if anything I would take his opinion over some sports beat writer tying to make some story over a losing teams final two games. Do people not remember where Odell first got experience when he got back from injuries? Returning kicks and punts, on special teams. Maybe just maybe, there isn't a "Coughlin code" like everyone here seems to think there is, that he's against playing rookies or letting talent sit on the bench. Or yeah maybe people are right and every single coach on the Giants is saying "Oh Washington is our next starting WR, but we don't want him on the field for reasons" Remember when Jernigan blew it up in meaningless games last year. Everybody went we have a diamond in the rough that Coughlin refused to play, then in the preseason everybody went why is Jernigan still on the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yet there is guy named Victor Cruz who went undrafted and also is on the same team. He did everything asked of him and earned playing time. Jonathan Hankins is starting because he has also done everything asked of him. Don't blame Coughlin for the short comings of Randle, Moore and the inexperience of Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yet there is guy named Victor Cruz who went undrafted and also is on the same team. He did everything asked of him and earned playing time. Jonathan Hankins is starting because he has also done everything asked of him. Don't blame Coughlin for the short comings of Randle, Moore and the inexperience of Washington. The thing about Washington is he can't be good on special teams because of his height... he's freakishly tall and doubt he can be a good gunner or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The thing about Washington is he can't be good on special teams because of his height... he's freakishly tall and doubt he can be a good gunner or anything... Because some beat writer who obviously knows more about football than anyone on the Giants said so? He's 6ft 4, not 6ft 11. David Tyree was 6ft1, three inches shorter and had an great career on special teams as a gunner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 With all of this Washington hype, one has to question if we're falling into the "backup QB fan syndrome," but now applied to a WR. The age old meme that the backup QB is always the most popular guy for the fans... until he gets out on field and his inexperience/shittyness shows. It's the allure of the unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 With all of this Washington hype, one has to question if we're falling into the "backup QB fan syndrome," but now applied to a WR. The age old meme that the backup QB is always the most popular guy for the fans... until he gets out on field and his inexperience/shittyness shows. It's the allure of the unknown. Nope.. but this IS the time to see what the young guys can do.... especially when you have Olgertree taking snaps from this 6 4" guy... let's SEE what he can do.. not what uncle Tom says he can't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Not for nothing, but they're probably trying to see what they've got in Ogletree too. Its not like he's Ramses Barden and they know the player already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I can see both sides of this argument that you guys have already stated. However, I liken it to the, "running back has to block" phenomena of why we rarely saw David Wilson on the field at first. And it wasn't like he got any better at picking up blitzes but he started seeing playing time. I understand the importance of blocking for a running back and that if you keep a guy only in to run the ball or to run routes in the passing game, that you show your hand to the defense. But there is no harm in getting guys in Washington or even Wilson's situation some playing time and getting them the ball 4 or 5 times a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 This team is 5-9. Give him a fair shake. Ogletree is a career journeyman, and Parker is not a long term solution, either. I should also note that Washington was great in camp against established defensive backs on the Giants. He was great in preseason, and he HAS played in very limited duty and has, for the most part, done very well. It's not the benching by itself that is the issue, it's the justification for it that he has to be some great special teamer to see the field on offense. It's a non-sensical argument. Btw, ODell did NOT exclusively play specials before he was "promoted" to the offense. If BiC can't see that a player can be very good in one aspect of football, but not very good in another aspect, and this fact should not determine a player's real value at what he does do well, then I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Nope.. but this IS the time to see what the young guys can do.... especially when you have Olgertree taking snaps from this 6 4" guy... let's SEE what he can do.. not what uncle Tom says he can't do. This. You can't teach 6'4". It's not everything, but it certainly helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I can see both sides of this argument that you guys have already stated. However, I liken it to the, "running back has to block" phenomena of why we rarely saw David Wilson on the field at first. And it wasn't like he got any better at picking up blitzes but he started seeing playing time. I understand the importance of blocking for a running back and that if you keep a guy only in to run the ball or to run routes in the passing game, that you show your hand to the defense. But there is no harm in getting guys in Washington or even Wilson's situation some playing time and getting them the ball 4 or 5 times a game. And this. Except this is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I remember very first goal line snap of the season he lined up and we tried a fade to him. I always wondered why we didn't see him much after that but I'm guessing he just happened to be ahead of Parker on the depth chart at that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK-Giantsfan Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 c'mon Tom......................and lets see a little bit of Nassib too .........e.g. when we are 36-7 up on the bloody Titans !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I see both sides of the argument. Like Moore not playing because Kiwinauka was tearing it up. I just think at the point when your season is over you should disect strengths and weaknesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA4M Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I want to see him play, he was doing a lot in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 This team is 5-9. Give him a fair shake. Ogletree is a career journeyman, and Parker is not a long term solution, either. I should also note that Washington was great in camp against established defensive backs on the Giants. He was great in preseason, and he HAS played in very limited duty and has, for the most part, done very well. It's not the benching by itself that is the issue, it's the justification for it that he has to be some great special teamer to see the field on offense. It's a non-sensical argument. Btw, ODell did NOT exclusively play specials before he was "promoted" to the offense. If BiC can't see that a player can be very good in one aspect of football, but not very good in another aspect, and this fact should not determine a player's real value at what he does do well, then I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, you know what you've got on ogletree and parker, they aren't looking term wr2 options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 it's the justification for it that he has to be some great special teamer to see the field on offense. It's a non-sensical argument. I definitely come down in the camp that Washington should get a shot, but I think Coughlin's point isn't that a guy has to be a great special teamer to play on offense, its that the 4th string WR needs to be good enough on special teams to dress on Sundays. Then I looked it up.... Washington has dressed 13 times this season. What the.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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