JMFP Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 http://nypost.com/2014/11/17/tiki-barber-wants-tom-coughlin-fired/ ....“The Giants players are not listening to Tom Coughlin anymore,” Barber told The Beast 980 in Los Angeles. “As much as they want to pass the buck and ‘Oh, it was the offensive coordinator, let’s get rid of Kevin Gilbride and bring in Ben McAdoo.’ And: ‘Oh, now it’s the defensive coordinator, so maybe it’s time to get rid of Perry Fewell.’ At some point, it trickles uphill and it has to be Tom Coughlin’s responsibility. And it is time — and I’ve held off from saying this — for them to make a change [at head coach].”..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Still can't bring himself to admit that Tom Coughlin turned him into a better RB. Tiki Barber rested the first five years of his career and had more fumbles than touchdowns most of his career. With that said I respect Tiki Barber doing his best to make some money to support his kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Wow that's some analysis... Deep stuff if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Can he come in for a try out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think Barber has given Coughlin the credit for helping with the fumbling problem. And at this point he's a radio show host now, he's entitled to voice his opinion whether we like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I agree with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I agree with himNo one listens to their coach anymore. Lynch doesn't go to the locker room at halftime. Brooks pulls himself out of the game. Its the beginning of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think the quote that you quoted Joe mirrors what a lot of us have been saying. Perhaps not in as many words. Nas consistently mentions Coughlin's inability to get adequate assistants in here; with the exception being Gilbride's tenure, before the game passed him by and Spagnuolo's brief tenure. I think Coughlin's mitts are in the proverbial cookie jar when it comes to what we see out of these coordinators on their respective sides of the ball. I read somewhere that Coughlin's response to not QB sneaking the ball on 4th and inch was because, he doesn't believe in the QB Sneak and doesn't use it. The constant fade calls in the red zone have been a staple of this team for far, far too long. The inflexibility and lack of creativity in the run game, both in the blocking scheme and the in the predictability of 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down (and long) pass that is pretty much the cookie-cutter recipe for the first 4 offensive possessions of the game. I think it's less noticeable on the defensive side of the ball where Fewell tends to do just fine screwing up on his own (though he had his players buying in on Sunday). So think what you will about Tiki, but I think his opinion is actually shared by many Giants fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Tiki's radio show is at 3am. I like Tiki, but the guy is a hack post football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGL Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Didn't you hear Tiki? We would win the games when Jennings got back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think the quote that you quoted Joe mirrors what a lot of us have been saying. Perhaps not in as many words. Nas consistently mentions Coughlin's inability to get adequate assistants in here; with the exception being Gilbride's tenure, before the game passed him by and Spagnuolo's brief tenure. I think Coughlin's mitts are in the proverbial cookie jar when it comes to what we see out of these coordinators on their respective sides of the ball. I read somewhere that Coughlin's response to not QB sneaking the ball on 4th and inch was because, he doesn't believe in the QB Sneak and doesn't use it. The constant fade calls in the red zone have been a staple of this team for far, far too long. The inflexibility and lack of creativity in the run game, both in the blocking scheme and the in the predictability of 1st down run, 2nd down run, 3rd down (and long) pass that is pretty much the cookie-cutter recipe for the first 4 offensive possessions of the game. I think it's less noticeable on the defensive side of the ball where Fewell tends to do just fine screwing up on his own (though he had his players buying in on Sunday). So think what you will about Tiki, but I think his opinion is actually shared by many Giants fans. Hard to run the ball when we have a collegiate calibur offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Have to ignore Tiki on all things Coughlin given an obvious bias. That said, though I don't think anyone would ever admit it, I believe the Giants brought McAdoo in for more than the coordinator position. Sure, they would never label him a coach in waiting until he proved himself a competant coordinator, but given the huge change of direction for the offense...I can't help but think that the Giants want(ed) McAdoo to take over. In order to do so, McAdoo needs at least another year. Bring in a new head coach, Giants won't force McAdoo on a new head coach. So, in my opinion, we're stuck with Coughlin for another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Raise your hand if you give a shit what Tiki Barber thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Raise your hand if you give a shit what Tiki Barber thinks. He may be right...but if Tiki says "the players are listening to him"...that begs the questions..."What players are talking to Tiki?" C. Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Raise your hand if you give a shit what Tiki Barber thinks. :crickets: But here's the thing.. Tiki didn't say anything that us fans haven't said or thought of... I mean... thank you Mr Obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Have to ignore Tiki on all things Coughlin given an obvious bias. That said, though I don't think anyone would ever admit it, I believe the Giants brought McAdoo in for more than the coordinator position. Sure, they would never label him a coach in waiting until he proved himself a competant coordinator, but given the huge change of direction for the offense...I can't help but think that the Giants want(ed) McAdoo to take over. In order to do so, McAdoo needs at least another year. Bring in a new head coach, Giants won't force McAdoo on a new head coach. So, in my opinion, we're stuck with Coughlin for another season. Isn't this the problem? What big change on offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Isn't this the problem? What big change on offense? The change in direction from a high risk/high reward offense that Gilbride ran to the low risk/low reward offense that McAdoo was to bring in. Not saying the change has been successful necessarily, but it remains a drastic change in how the offense operates. Essentially, the thought process and operation is vastly different - but the change hasn't yet yielded the desired results...unless you count Eli's lower interception total (but I admit, even writing that in a week following a 5-interception game, isn't easy to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxRik Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Eli Manning dismisses Tiki's call for Coughlin ouster Tiki Barber wiggled his way back into the 24-hour news cycle this week. As you might have guessed, he did so by saying something critical about the New York Giants. Barber, whom Tom Coughlin helped mold into one of the best running backs in football before his ill-timed retirement in 2007, told a Los Angeles radio station the time has come for the Giants to fire their longtime head coach. Eli Manning -- he himself once the target of Barber's acidic tongue -- said little but conveyed much when told of his former teammate's opinion on Wednesday. "That's nice of him," Manning said, according to the New York Daily News. "It's good to hear from old Tiki." The quarterback was asked if it's a distraction when a former teammate calls for the coach to be fired. "I think," Eli replied, "it depends on your opinion of that player." NFL Media colleague Judy Battista remarked that Manning used a "sledgehammer wrapped in velvet" here. We quite like that. Barber's opinion isn't exactly malicious, or even a bad one. Coughlin is now 68 years old, and the Giants have slipped into something of an organizational malaise since their improbable Super Bowl run in 2011. But Barber should know by now that any negative opinion on the Giants will come off as sour grapes for a guy who just missed the Super Bowl gravy train. Then again, that realization would require a sliver of self-awareness. We're not convinced that's in play here.The latest Around The NFL Podcast recaps every Sunday game from an action-packed Week 11. Find more Around The NFL content on NFL NOW. NFL.com Linkage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Well done, Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl 1010 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I expected him to say little, and convey little. I was pleasantly surprised! Go Eli! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 3 years without winning a Super Bowl is too long for any fan to expect to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Honestly, Coughlin helped Tiki with an important detail in how to carry the ball. Tiki becoming great is not a Coughlin creation as much as we would like to think. It was a testament to Tiki's work ethic and innate ability. And as much as I really don't give a shit what Tiki thinks, I give even less of a shit what Eli thinks until Captain Dumbface starts playing like the "elite QB" he thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Honestly, Coughlin helped Tiki with an important detail in how to carry the ball. Tiki becoming great is not a Coughlin creation as much as we would like to think. It was a testament to Tiki's work ethic and innate ability. And as much as I really don't give a shit what Tiki thinks, I give even less of a shit what Eli thinks until Captain Dumbface starts playing like the "elite QB" he thinks he is. Thank you Jim... the pure voice of reason on this one.. While I loath MeMe Barber with a passion... what he says is true... And where did Coughlin get his insight into the high and tight... Otis Anderson was really the guy who brought it to the Giants. Coughlin as an assistant coach just passed it on. One of the first things O.J. Anderson did when he came to the Giants was teach the high and tight. So before people go and elevate Coughlin to Sainthood lets not go overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Thank you Jim... the pure voice of reason on this one.. While I loath MeMe Barber with a passion... what he says is true... And where did Coughlin get his insight into the high and tight... Otis Anderson was really the guy who brought it to the Giants. Coughlin as an assistant coach just passed it on. One of the first things O.J. Anderson did when he came to the Giants was teach the high and tight. So before people go and elevate Coughlin to Sainthood lets not go overboard. The high and tight is similar to knee bend in hockey.....get that joint locked in and it is much more force-resistant.....it's similar to the angled spans (arches) found in bridges and other high-load structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 3 years without winning a Super Bowl is too long for any fan to expect to wait. Do you foresee a Super Bowl run in the next 2 years? If you do you are looking through blue colored glasses. So that will be 5 years at least. Then you throw up your hands and say "ok, let's blow this up" Hello 2025. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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