Giants thinking of Martin.

[GA4M]

Just sharing the link.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000345531/article/notre-dames-zack-martin-said-to-be-a-new-york-giants-favorite

[JMFP]

Just sharing the link.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000345531/article/notre-dames-zack-martin-said-to-be-a-new-york-giants-favorite

 

 

This makes a shit ton of sense.

 

Sure, they might pass on someone that plays better....but they can't afford to swing for the fences anymore. They need a safe pick, just like Justin Pugh was a safe pick last season, and turned into their best offensive lineman.

 

I also like the comments indicating that Ebron is not a top choice for the Giants.

 

 

 

NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock serves as the analyst for NBC's telecasts of Notre Dame games, and he is high on Martin. Mayock questions whether the Giants will have a shot at drafting him.

 

"I've been banging the table for Zack Martin," Mayock said on "The Rich Eisen Podcast" on Tuesday. "I had a bunch of scouts tell me before the Senior Bowl that he'd never get into the first round; now they're talking about him in the top 10. So Zack Martin's a guy that I'm really excited about."

 

The Star-Ledger said one player who isn't likely to be in play for the Giants with the No. 12 pick is North Carolina's Eric Ebron, universally considered the top tight end in the draft.

 

"Everything I've heard in recent months and weeks indicates the Giants aren't especially high on him, and that they won't draft him at No. 12," the Star-Ledger's Jordan Raanan wrote. "Even though misdirection is common this time of the year, that disqualified him for this list."

 

[BleedinBlue]

I would love it if we got Martin. I watched him play in the senior bowl and he was flat out the most dominating lineman the entire time.

 

On the defensive side, Dee Ford absolutely dominated with several sacks and easily shed the left tackles...until he face Martin who totally dominated him. Later, when Ford was being interviewed he said he had never faced a tackle like Martin and he gave him fits in practice and in the game. Ford went on to say that he couldn't believe how dominating Martin was.

 

I watched the game and came away thinking, "holy crap...if we could get Martin our line would be set for years to come".

 

My biggest fear: Martin gone by the 12th pick.

[BlueInCanada]

I would love it if we got Martin. I watched him play in the senior bowl and he was flat out the most dominating lineman the entire time.

 

On the defensive side, Dee Ford absolutely dominated with several sacks and easily shed the left tackles...until he face Martin who totally dominated him. Later, when Ford was being interviewed he said he had never faced a tackle like Martin and he gave him fits in practice and in the game. Ford went on to say that he couldn't believe how dominating Martin was.

 

I watched the game and came away thinking, "holy crap...if we could get Martin our line would be set for years to come".

 

My biggest fear: Martin gone by the 12th pick.

 

It will either be Martin or Lewan sitting at 12.

 

Martin is the safer pick, he's NFL ready and will be a starter for 12 years.

 

Lewan is going to start day one and he either will become an all pro lineman or bustout.

 

I'm sure the Giant's are fine with either player.

[Tempest]

 

It will either be Martin or Lewan sitting at 12.

 

Martin is the safer pick, he's NFL ready and will be a starter for 12 years.

 

Lewan is going to start day one and he either will become an all pro lineman or bustout.

 

I'm sure the Giant's are fine with either player.

 

 

I remember a lot of people saying the same thing about the draft all-time great LT Robert Gallery. I'm not the least bit concerned with the 12th pick of the draft, it is a can't miss in regards to available talent at a number of key positions. It is the other picks that will either rejuvenate this team, or doom Reese.

[Sephiroth]

The way I look at it is this: Beatty is a question mark.

 

Walton is a question mark.

 

Snee is a question mark.

 

Zach Martin can step in on day one and fill in for either of those three. He's the next David Diehl, and honestly, that ain't bad.

 

The funny thing is, I've heard people knock Jermichael Finley all offseason because of his attitude, his injury history, and the fact that he doesn't have great hands. Many of these same people want to draft Eric Ebron... DESPITE his injury history, his attitude, and the fact that he doesn't have great hands.

 

Martin would be my pick, unless by some miracle a Sammy Watkins or Khalil Mack type slides to us.

[BronxRik]

Hey look, I can post above what I'm quoting.

I remember a lot of people saying the same thing about the draft all-time great LT Robert Gallery. I'm not the least bit concerned with the 12th pick of the draft, it is a can't miss in regards to available talent at a number of key positions. It is the other picks that will either rejuvenate this team, or doom Reese.

I know you used to do that and it was kind of your thing, so here's how to do it:

When you reply, in the upper left hand corner is a button (next to the fat pencil). It's called "BB Code Mode". If you click it, you will see the old style of editing. Put your cursor behind the 'quote' tag, hit enter, and your quoted text will drop down and you can type above the quote. Then just click the BB Code Mode to switch back.

[Nas]

It's hard for me to fathom the Giants not drafting an offensive lineman in the 1st...

[JMFP]

The way I look at it is this: Beatty is a question mark.

 

Walton is a question mark.

 

Snee is a question mark.

 

Zach Martin can step in on day one and fill in for either of those three. He's the next David Diehl, and honestly, that ain't bad.

 

The funny thing is, I've heard people knock Jermichael Finley all offseason because of his attitude, his injury history, and the fact that he doesn't have great hands. Many of these same people want to draft Eric Ebron... DESPITE his injury history, his attitude, and the fact that he doesn't have great hands.

 

Martin would be my pick, unless by some miracle a Sammy Watkins or Khalil Mack type slides to us.

 

Like BiC said, Taylor Lewan is a boom/bust guy. Physically, he looks like a freak. But Martin looks like a grinder.

 

I think if Lewan is available the Giants take him. But I think he'll be gone, Martin will be around, and the Giants will get a blue chip guy.

[BleedinBlue]

It's hard for me to fathom the Giants not drafting an offensive lineman in the 1st...

I agree....but!

 

You can build a team from the inside out by getting the trenches set, and then adding the "skill players", like WR, TE, etc.

 

I'm sure that is the idea floating in the heads of the front office. However, if Mike Evans is still on the board, I can see the Giants taking a skill player first and then using their 2nd to go after Cyrus Kouandjio or Joel Bitonio...both adept at OT or OG, but not at the same high level as Martin. Any other year, Kouandjio and Bitonio would most likely be in the top 20, but this year the draft is stacked.

 

My point: The Giants will undoubtedly focus on the trench, but if the Giants get a chance to get a high end skill player like Mike Evans that comes along once a decade (for the Giants that is)....they could pull the trigger on him. Personally, I think Evans will be long gone by the time the Giants pick. The good news is, this draft is overflowing with quality WR's that can be picked up in later rounds....maybe not at the level of Watson and Evans, but very good.

 

I definitely would love the Giants to go: 1) OT 2) OC 3) WR/TE

 

If we can get Eli a couple more seconds of time in the pocket, everything else will work itself out. But if he's still running for his life or throwing off his heels a second earlier than he's supposed to and the routes haven't even been run out yet...then we have a repeat of last year. A great WR who makes a cut at exactly 3.4 seconds expecting the ball to be within a 4 ft radius isn't much good if the ball had to leave the QB's hands a second earlier than necessary.

[gmenroc]

The scary part of the upcoming draft is the lack of QBs...I was really comfortable at 12, confident that a great player at a position of need would fall to us. But at this point, if the QBs don't go early...it's possible that Robinson, Matthews, Lewan, and Martin all go...along with Clowney, Watkins, Evans, Mack...that still leaves 3 more spots where players we're targeting could go.

 

Now, I still believe that there will be at least 1 QB taken in the top 10, maybe 2. But if that doesn't happen...our pick at 12 either becomes extremely valuable for a team that does want a QB...or we're screwed into taking a non-targeted player.

 

I am fairly confident that either Dennard or Gilbert go to the Titans at 11 - so that alleviates one more spot...but again, it's a bit nerve-racking at this point if the QBs don't go.

[BleedinBlue]

The scary part of the upcoming draft is the lack of QBs...I was really comfortable at 12, confident that a great player at a position of need would fall to us. But at this point, if the QBs don't go early...it's possible that Robinson, Matthews, Lewan, and Martin all go...along with Clowney, Watkins, Evans, Mack...that still leaves 3 more spots where players we're targeting could go.

 

Now, I still believe that there will be at least 1 QB taken in the top 10, maybe 2. But if that doesn't happen...our pick at 12 either becomes extremely valuable for a team that does want a QB...or we're screwed into taking a non-targeted player.

 

I am fairly confident that either Dennard or Gilbert go to the Titans at 11 - so that alleviates one more spot...but again, it's a bit nerve-racking at this point if the QBs don't go.

Excellent point. I'm hoping teams are a lot higher on Bortles, Manzeil, Carr, and Brigewater. A lot of teams need a QB, but not sure how enamored they are with this year's crop. On the other hand, teams don't let out any information at all concerning which direction they are leaning and when they do, it's almost always a smoke screen or diversion of some sort. One week to go. Can't wait.

[Tempest]

Hey look, I can post above what I'm quoting.

 

 

 

I know you used to do that and it was kind of your thing, so here's how to do it:

 

When you reply, in the upper left hand corner is a button (next to the fat pencil). It's called "BB Code Mode". If you click it, you will see the old style of editing. Put your cursor behind the 'quote' tag, hit enter, and your quoted text will drop down and you can type above the quote. Then just click the BB Code Mode to switch back.

 

LOL, I did it then because of the format of the Giants MB. Thought it was funny that it bothered a few people. The reason I don't do it here is because when you quote someone the cursor moves below the quoted text allowing you to type a response. However if you want me to do that when responding to your posts, I'll see what I can do.

[mastershake]

Everything I've read has indicated that Martin will have to play guard in the NFL, not LT. Are giant fans on here high on Martin because they think one of our FA's (Geoff Shwartz or Charles Brown) or perhaps Pugh will play LT?

[gmenroc]

Giants fans are high on Martin because he's Pugh-esque.

 

Pugh was rumored to be a G who went into the draft as a T. Well, he played RT for us and did pretty well. Martin is rumored to be a G prospect with the flexibility to play T.

 

I think the focus is on the offensive line, clearly. Beatty is no guarantee to come back to form at T. The C we signed hasn't played in what, 2 years? Snee is coming off a 2nd hip surgery and is no guarantee. If push came to shove, Pugh could slide to LT with Martin filling in at RT. Or, if Snee couldn't go, Martin could step in there.

 

Martin=David Diehl...a guy who played 10 good years at stepped in at whatever position was needed. Wasn't the best all the time, but certainly wasn't the worst and was extremely valuable for us. Martin could provide us that flexibility for the next 10 years.

 

Of note, the flexibility on the offensive line is needed due to roster space. Most teams don't carry ST only players...like long snapper and return specialists. Most teams will carry a 3rd QB on the active roster as well. In our case, we've made room for the long snapper by only carrying 2 QBs each week. Well, we have 2 return specialists in Holiday and Demps, who llkely won't see starting time in the offense or defense. Which limits room for other positions. Having a guy like Martin who can fill in for multiple positions should there be an injury...again, makes possible fielding guys like Demps and Holiday.

[BleedinBlue]

Everything I've read has indicated that Martin will have to play guard in the NFL, not LT. Are giant fans on here high on Martin because they think one of our FA's (Geoff Shwartz or Charles Brown) or perhaps Pugh will play LT?

Martin is a natural LT and one of the best in the country. However, he is also an excellent guard and center. What makes him so desirable is that he can takeover Beatty's spot in a heartbeat, but can stand in as guard while testing Beatty and if Beatty doesn't cut it - BAM, a great LT is ready to step in.

 

Personally, Martin is my favorite pick at 12. But I won't mope around if we end up with Arnold or Evans. I will throw something at the TV if we draft Ebron at that high a spot. I want the offensive line fixed and fixed well.

[gmenroc]

Martin is a natural LT and one of the best in the country. However, he is also an excellent guard and center. What makes him so desirable is that he can takeover Beatty's spot in a heartbeat, but can stand in as guard while testing Beatty and if Beatty doesn't cut it - BAM, a great LT is ready to step in.

 

Personally, Martin is my favorite pick at 12. But I won't mope around if we end up with Arnold or Evans. I will throw something at the TV if we draft Ebron at that high a spot. I want the offensive line fixed and fixed well.

 

If we draft Ebron, the ratings on the rest of the draft will certainly drop by at least 1 household...that much I can promise you.

 

So if Ebron is on the card, and Goodell is smart, he'll just come up with one of the other players and read that one off instead.

[Nas]

Martin is a natural LT and one of the best in the country. However, he is also an excellent guard and center. What makes him so desirable is that he can takeover Beatty's spot in a heartbeat, but can stand in as guard while testing Beatty and if Beatty doesn't cut it - BAM, a great LT is ready to step in.

 

Personally, Martin is my favorite pick at 12. But I won't mope around if we end up with Arnold or Evans. I will throw something at the TV if we draft Ebron at that high a spot. I want the offensive line fixed and fixed well.

 

I'll pull my hair out if we get Evans and pass on either Martin or Donald.

[Bigblue25]

The Giants aren't usually this transparent about their draft plans. It kinda scares me that Martin has become the consesus and we're hearing abouth how much interest the Giants have. Like PDub said in the mock draft we may get a surprise and it will be Beckham or a pass rusher like Ealy or Barr. Ebron fits the mold of a Reese pick too and we've said we have no interest in Ebron, which means we probably have all the interest in the world in Ebron and he will get called at 12.

[Nas]

The Giants aren't usually this transparent about their draft plans. It kinda scares me that Martin has become the consesus and we're hearing abouth how much interest the Giants have. Like PDub said in the mock draft we may get a surprise and it will be Beckham or a pass rusher like Ealy or Barr. Ebron fits the mold of a Reese pick too and we've said we have no interest in Ebron, which means we probably have all the interest in the world in Ebron and he will get called at 12.

 

You know... I guess the only player I would really have a problem with is Evans... We lost Nicks and he was great the 3 weeks of his career he was healthy... so if Ebron can finally give us the TE threat we haven't had since Shockey flashed some skill early on in his career, I'm for it... my concern is I hear he doesn't have the best hands.

[Treehugger]

I have a feeling all the primo OL are off the board and they take Ha-Ha.

[Nas]

I have a feeling all the primo OL are off the board and they take Ha-Ha.

 

Get out of my head

[mastershake]

The Giants aren't usually this transparent about their draft plans. It kinda scares me that Martin has become the consesus and we're hearing abouth how much interest the Giants have. Like PDub said in the mock draft we may get a surprise and it will be Beckham or a pass rusher like Ealy or Barr. Ebron fits the mold of a Reese pick too and we've said we have no interest in Ebron, which means we probably have all the interest in the world in Ebron and he will get called at 12.

 

Where have they publically stated their interest in Martin?

[Bigblue25]

 

Where have they publically stated their interest in Martin?

It's all over the place. No team states it publicly.

[GA4M]

 

Get out of my head

Hey, wait!!!