BleedinBlue Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Here's a list of our free agents at the end of the season: RB Brandon Jacobs UFA WR Louis Murphy UFA WR Hakeem Nicks UFA TE Bear Pascoe UFA OT David Diehl UFA OG Kevin Boothe UFA OL Jim Cordle RFA DL Linval Joseph UFA DL Justin Tuck UFA LB Keith Rivers UFA CB Aaron Ross UFA CB Terrell Thomas UFA CB Corey Webster UFA FS Stevie Brown UFA Here's our salary situation. Offensive Spend: 18 Players ($69,834,763) Defensive Spend: 17 Players ($34,849,913) Specials Spend: 2 Players ($4,075,000) Players salaries that will count against the cap in 2014 Eli ($20,400,000) Snee ($11,750,000) Rolle ($9,250,000) Baas ($8,225,000) Cruz ($7,424,000) Beatty ($7,400,000) Kiwi ($7,050,000) Myers ($4,375,000) JPP ($3,561,000) Jenkins ($3,216,666) Weatherford ($2,925,000) Prince ($2,603,013) Webster ($2,250,000) Pugh ($1,896,795) Wilson ($1,823,046) DeOssi ($1,150,000) All other players under 1 million a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Here's a list of our free agents at the end of the season:RB Brandon Jacobs - GONEWR Louis Murphy - GONEWR Hakeem Nicks GONETE Bear Pascoe BACK AT RIGHT PRICEOT David Diehl GONEOG Kevin Boothe BACK AT RIGHT PRICEOL Jim Cordle BACK AT RIGHT PRICEDL Linval Joseph BACK AT RIGHT PRICE (BUT UNLIKELY)DL Justin Tuck - BACK AT RIGHT PRICELB Keith Rivers BACK AT RIGHT PRICE (we need to bring at least one LB back)CB Aaron Ross BACK AT RIGHT PRICECB Terrell Thomas BACK AT RIGHT PRICECB Corey Webster - GONEFS Stevie Brown - BACK AT RIGHT PRICEPlayers salaries that will count against the cap in 2014Eli ($20,400,000) - MUST RESTRUCTURESnee ($11,750,000) - GONERolle ($9,250,000) - BACK AT RIGHT PRICE... Baas ($8,225,000) - GONECruz ($7,424,000) - FAIR PAY FOR HIMBeatty ($7,400,000) - MUST RESTRUCTURE OR BE CUT (IF POSSIBLE)Kiwi ($7,050,000) - MUST RESTRUCTURE OR BE CUT (IF POSSIBLE)Myers ($4,375,000) - GONEJPP ($3,561,000) - FAIR FOR HIMJenkins ($3,216,666) - FAIR FOR HIMWeatherford ($2,925,000) - FAIR FOR HIMPrince ($2,603,013) - BARGAINWebster ($2,250,000) - GONEPugh ($1,896,795) - FAIR FOR HIMWilson ($1,823,046) - INJURY RETIREMENTDeOssi ($1,150,000) - WHO? Also, there's nothing about Beason. We need to give that guy a reasonable offer. He's a leader the likes of which we haven't had at LB since Jesse Armstead and/or Antonio Pierce, and clearly makes everyone around him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 I agree with your assessment Seph. Especially on Beason who has proven his worth in spades. I don't know how it works when you cut a player that is still under contract. For instance, do we get any savings by waiving Snee and Baas? I know they have guaranteed contracts, but there must be some savings if they are cut off the team. Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 DeOssi ($1,150,000) - WHO? Zak DeOssie! Steady long snapper and excellent special teams player. But I think you're kidding when you put "who" by his name! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Here's a list of our free agents at the end of the season: RB Brandon Jacobs UFA WR Louis Murphy UFA WR Hakeem Nicks UFA TE Bear Pascoe UFA OT David Diehl UFA OG Kevin Boothe UFA OL Jim Cordle RFA DL Linval Joseph UFA DL Justin Tuck UFA LB Keith Rivers UFA CB Aaron Ross UFA CB Terrell Thomas UFA CB Corey Webster UFA FS Stevie Brown UFA Here's our salary situation. Offensive Spend: 18 Players ($69,834,763) Defensive Spend: 17 Players ($34,849,913) Specials Spend: 2 Players ($4,075,000) Players salaries that will count against the cap in 2014 Eli ($20,400,000) - A paycut to help cover for real talent at the OL. Snee ($11,750,000) Rolle ($9,250,000) Baas ($8,225,000) Cruz ($7,424,000) Beatty ($7,400,000) Kiwi ($7,050,000) Myers ($4,375,000) JPP ($3,561,000) Jenkins ($3,216,666) Weatherford ($2,925,000) Prince ($2,603,013) Webster ($2,250,000) Pugh ($1,896,795) Wilson ($1,823,046) DeOssi ($1,150,000) All other players under 1 million a year All the bolded players should be cut imo. As far as the FAs, at the right price they can stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 All the bolded players should be cut imo. As far as the FAs, at the right price they can stay. Pretty sure Jacobs' career is over. I like Linval Joseph a lot, but he's not coming back "at the right price". I want to cut the players that are pulling in a King's Ransom, but if we don't save any money by cutting them, then we pretty much have to keep them on the team...especially Rolle. Would be dumb to pay Rolle more than 9 million dollars to watch the game on TV with his girlfriend's head in his lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Not listed is McBride Paysinger Rogers Patterson Hillis Brown James Herzlich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Not listed is McBride Paysinger Rogers Patterson Hillis Brown James Herzlich Yeah...I copied/pasted from KFFL which is a little behind. Paysinger, Herzlich, and Hynoski are RFA's. McBride, Brown, Hillis, etc., are UFA's Also, Mundy is a UFA that we should definitely resign This is a better source for this years free agents: http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/new-york-giants/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Dead money for Baas is 6,450,000, but his cap hit being 8,225,000 we lose 1,775,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 try to sign joseph unless he's too expensive. try to sign beason unless he wants too many years. sign stevie brown who will be cheap. keep pascoe, mcbride and mundy. the rest can go but knowing these front office clowns they'll probably bring back all 3 o-linemen. i can live with boothe and thomas being brought back for cheap but tell thomas to keep his mouth shut next season. andre brown might've played himself into a nice contract. never sign veteran rbs. he was one of my favorites and i wish him the best. eli obviously needs to restructure. i like rolle and cutting him costs 2 mil but i don't think it makes a ton of sense to keep him if we are tearing the whole thing down (which i think we should) and we'll gain back 7 mil. i doubt management/coaching wants to tear it all down though so they will probably restructure which i'm fine with, he's a good player and a team leader we can be proud of we're stuck with kiwi. his dead money would be over 5 mil and we'd only save a little under 2 mil. cut him next year cut myers (+3.25 mil), webster (+1 mil), baas after june 1st (+5 mil), brewer (750k), robinson (650k, 750k). snee should do the right thing by grandpa and retire but if he exercises that option then cut him (+7 mil). that's 1/5th of the likely cap number next year right there tender paysinger. don't tender herzlich, hynoski or cordle. extend prince. im sick of letting our top players go into their walk year. it's a fucking joke, no other teams do this with their #1 picks who produce for them. on the other side of the coin, let JPP earn his money next year. he has a vested option after that anway, no rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yeah...I copied/pasted from KFFL which is a little behind. Paysinger, Herzlich, and Hynoski are RFA's. McBride, Brown, Hillis, etc., are UFA's Also, Mundy is a UFA that we should definitely resign I like Hillis a lot... he gave our running game an attitude and ran like BJ should have been running all his life. I think the treo of Brown, Wilson, & Hillis will be very good for us with Cox serving as the 4th for one of them gets injured... or Cox shines and moves up the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yeah...I copied/pasted from KFFL which is a little behind. Paysinger, Herzlich, and Hynoski are RFA's. McBride, Brown, Hillis, etc., are UFA's Also, Mundy is a UFA that we should definitely resign This is a better source for this years free agents: http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/new-york-giants/ Most of those will walk anyway, except for Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Mook and Hosley are the only two CB's under contract next year, Webster has a voidable year. I think we resign T2. This is a pretty big issue though. I think the draft focus should be CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Dead money for Baas is 6,450,000, but his cap hit being 8,225,000 we lose 1,775,000 Baas is worthless... if I understand you correct, you're saying we'd save $8.2M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Baas is worthless... if I understand you correct, you're saying we'd save $8.2M? we save 1.775 mil and are on the books for 6.45 mil if we cut him before june 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Mook and Hosley are the only two CB's under contract next year, Webster has a voidable year. I think we resign T2. This is a pretty big issue though. I think the draft focus should be CB. i agree. we need to be 3-4 deep with quality corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Webster's small cap impact will save him. Hopefully he's healthy next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 also we are looking at about a 110 mil cap figure for 2014 before we start making any moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Baas is worthless... if I understand you correct, you're saying we'd save $8.2M? That would be his cap hit if we kept him. There's dead money, which is kinda like severance pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 That would be his cap hit if we kept him. There's dead money, which is kinda like severance pay. The Giants should just cut their losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Also not listed but must be resigned is John Connor. Dude is ten times the player that lilly-livered Hynoski is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 The Giants should just cut their losses. I agree - but it takes a year of hell before they can really feel the benefits of cleaning house because there is so much guaranteed money (dead money) that still counts against the cap. Can we bear another year like this year waiting for the benefits to kick in during the 2015 season? I doubt I can take another year like this....although, as a lifelong Knicks fan, I've learned to deal with huge disappointments in my teams. The thing is...if we could simply shore up the o-line and Eli would get his head out of his ass and suddenly decide he wants to go out as a legend (for good reasons), we could actually contend next year. And our defense is actually not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How long did we sign Jenkins for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 How long did we sign Jenkins for? 3 years I think? I know he's here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Connor is under contact next year for like 750k or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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