gmenroc Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I still dont understand all the hate towards Tuna. Nor I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I still dont understand all the hate towards Tuna. Two words: Ray Handley. Two more: Bill Belichick (the guy we would have had if Parcells was less of a douche). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 I still dont understand all the hate towards Tuna. me neither. What Seph didn't tell you is he had genuine health concerns in 1990 and that was the main reason for quitting. The front office had their heart set on Handley and Bellicheck would not have been the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 I was all of 10 years old in 1990, but I remember the dropoff from Parcells to Handley. I can't say that I remember, or would remember, how Parcells left our team. That said, the Giants don't strike me as a franchise that would let a departing coach name his successor. Seems that'd be a decision that'd come from management/front office folk...today, and in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 me neither. What Seph didn't tell you is he had genuine health concerns in 1990 and that was the main reason for quitting. The front office had their heart set on Handley and Bellicheck would not have been the HC. Yeah... those "genuine health concerns" that saw him go on to coach another team one year later... then coach another two after that. I think the ailment he had was "selfish prick syndrome." Parcells was mad that he was the biggest kid on the playground but he couldn't have all the toys (GM powers), so he did what all spoiled brats do, he threw a fit and left... but not until after BB and Coughlin had left themselves. The guy is a grade-A asshole. Fuck that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Yeah... those "genuine health concerns" that saw him go on to coach another team one year later... then coach another two after that. he sat out a year and did ESPN, listened to his doctor and got well again. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. the immediate result was handley but the whole team was in decay anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 he sat out a year and did ESPN, listened to his doctor and got well again. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. the immediate result was handley but the whole team was in decay anyway. That's the story, but I think it's bullshit, dub. I posted his track record before, but let's take another look. 1986 - tried to get out of his coaching obligation after winning the Super Bowl, but couldn't. 1990 - bails on his coaching obligation, leaving his former team in ruins. 1996 - bails on his coaching obligation to the Patriots, taking several players and coaches with him and leaving his former team in ruins. 1999 - bails on his coaching obligation to the Jets, leaving his former team in ruins. 2008 - bails on his GM obligations with Miami, leaving his former team in ruins. Parcells cares about Parcells, and that's about it. If he had douched one team I'd give him the benefit of the doubt... between the teams he's coached and the ones he's bailed on last minute... the guy's douched half the league at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 i hope none of us have to go through this kind of "bullshit" Heart Procedure for Parcells Published: April 17, 1992 Bill Parcells, the coach of the Giants until he resigned last May, will undergo a heart procedure today for the third time in four months. Dr. Patrick Whitlow, a cardiologist, is scheduled to perform an atherectomy on the 50-year-old Parcells at the Cleveland Clinic. Parcells is expected to remain in the hospital overnight and be discharged tomorrow. Four months ago today, at the Valley Hospital in Ridgewood, N.J., Parcells underwent an angioplasty procedure to clear his left anterior descending artery, which had a blockage of 95 percent to 99 percent. In that procedure, an inflated balloon compresses the plaque that blocks the artery. In February, the angioplasty was repeated. Parcells was still not feeling well, and an examination at the Cleveland Clinic led to the decision to perform an atherectomy. In this procedure, the plaque is scraped from the artery walls or destroyed by laser. Dan Reeves, the head coach of the Denver Broncos, underwent an atherectomy in August 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 i hope none of us have to go through this kind of "bullshit" Heart Procedure for Parcells Published: April 17, 1992 Bill Parcells, the coach of the Giants until he resigned last May, will undergo a heart procedure today for the third time in four months. Dr. Patrick Whitlow, a cardiologist, is scheduled to perform an atherectomy on the 50-year-old Parcells at the Cleveland Clinic. Parcells is expected to remain in the hospital overnight and be discharged tomorrow. Four months ago today, at the Valley Hospital in Ridgewood, N.J., Parcells underwent an angioplasty procedure to clear his left anterior descending artery, which had a blockage of 95 percent to 99 percent. In that procedure, an inflated balloon compresses the plaque that blocks the artery. In February, the angioplasty was repeated. Parcells was still not feeling well, and an examination at the Cleveland Clinic led to the decision to perform an atherectomy. In this procedure, the plaque is scraped from the artery walls or destroyed by laser. Dan Reeves, the head coach of the Denver Broncos, underwent an atherectomy in August 1990. I stand corrected then. However, he's still guilty of being a douche 11 out of 12 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 I stand corrected then. However, he's still guilty of being a douche 11 out of 12 times. In new England, he asked for the same kind of position that Bellicheck has, that Holmgren had in Seattle. Kraft said no and they parted ways. It happens. He stood up Tampa bay, that's true. But shit it's Tampa Bay! The Jets. he retired and didnt work for 3 years. And the Cowboys, jeezus, he kept the job as long as anyone could. He had success with each team and got the best out of his players, always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I stand corrected then. However, he's still guilty of being a douche 11 out of 12 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 he sat out a year and did ESPN, listened to his doctor and got well again. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. the immediate result was handley but the whole team was in decay anyway. Exactly and Belichick was a bit of a douche and didn't want the job, he wanted to prove himself elsewhere and went to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I stand corrected then. However, he's still guilty of being a douche 11 out of 12 times. I think it still pisses my father off he "retired" in May of '91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I never got the Parcells hate. He brought two titles to the Giants. As a fan, isn't that what you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I never got the Parcells hate. He brought two titles to the Giants. As a fan, isn't that what you want? Yep...I can appreciate what Parcells brought to both our team and football in general. We were fortunate to have him when we did, and from the sounds of things, his leaving the Giants was not necessarily as self-serving as many paint it out to be. Again, I was just getting into football at that time, so I'm no Parcell's expert. But his going to the Jets, Patriots, Cowboys...I see as his desire to be part of the game. I think he had a desire to remain challenged, to remain a part of the game he loved. Once he got those teams back to a competitive level, the challenge kinda went away. Now, he's done with the challenges. He's proved himself to be more than capable, he's produced a coaching tree that rivals the Walsh coaching tree, and he can sit back on ESPN as a commentator and be proud of what he was able to accomplish. I have no problem with Parcells...none. I only wish ESPN had him on more often so I could hear how he views the game/players/etc. His insight is far superior to many others that get regular spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Wow... Parcells strung a team along for weeks, claiming he'd be interested in coaching them them bailed last minute? Gee, I never saw that coming. Noooo Saint Parcells would never do such a thing...not the Great Tuna.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Dude, have you even followed this guy's career? Fatass tried to bail on his coaching contract with the Giants and go to Atlanta, but it didn't happen because the commissioner stepped in and wouldn't let him. Then he left the Giants in fucking JUNE after Belichick had already gone to Cleveland and all of the good coordinators were picked off the coaching staff. Then he pretended that he wanted to coach the Buccaneers (twice) before he bailed on them last minute. Then he left the Patriots because he couldn't get his way and they had the NERVE to draft perennial Pro Bowler Terry Glenn over whomever Fatass wanted. Just for good measure, he strung Atlanta along again for their general manager position before instead deciding to implode the Miami Dolphins as THEIR general manager. Dude has always been about himself, never given a fuck about any organization not named "The Bill Parcells Foundation," and is as me-first a coach as you'll find. Thanks for giving us two Super Bowls on defensive-minded teams with Belichick as your coordinator, now go away, please. Bump Squared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Yeah... those "genuine health concerns" that saw him go on to coach another team one year later... then coach another two after that. I think the ailment he had was "selfish prick syndrome." Parcells was mad that he was the biggest kid on the playground but he couldn't have all the toys (GM powers), so he did what all spoiled brats do, he threw a fit and left... but not until after BB and Coughlin had left themselves. The guy is a grade-A asshole. Fuck that guy. Selfish Prick Syndrome...just love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 That's the story, but I think it's bullshit, dub. I posted his track record before, but let's take another look. 1986 - tried to get out of his coaching obligation after winning the Super Bowl, but couldn't. 1990 - bails on his coaching obligation, leaving his former team in ruins. 1996 - bails on his coaching obligation to the Patriots, taking several players and coaches with him and leaving his former team in ruins. 1999 - bails on his coaching obligation to the Jets, leaving his former team in ruins. 2008 - bails on his GM obligations with Miami, leaving his former team in ruins. Parcells cares about Parcells, and that's about it. If he had douched one team I'd give him the benefit of the doubt... between the teams he's coached and the ones he's bailed on last minute... the guy's douched half the league at this point. Left out the Broke Backs...who I hope remain in ruins forever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 You know. Still dont understand all the hate he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 You know. Still dont understand all the hate he gets. Don't mind T- Parcells took his parking spot at the Astoria Diner once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Don't mind T- Parcells took his parking spot at the Astoria Diner once. :LMAO: :WS: :cheers: Good one man...best comeback in quite some time. I salute you sir. Love that place man...but I loved Stiamatis even more...have not been there in ages...best Greek food in all of Astoria. Greek chicks too...but that is for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Noooo Saint Parcells would never do such a thing...not the Great Tuna.... It's nice to have someone to share such a beautiful hatred with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 It's nice to have someone to share such a beautiful hatred with. I'll back you. I was going to back you sooner but you and fringe had a thing going. Anyway the guy has major commitment issues, he contemplated quitting on the Giants many times, and always leaves teams in the lurch. He's like the TO of coaching. Good talent, bad teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 Either you leave a team "in the lurch" or you get replaced because the team is "moving in a new direction. I'd rather be Lurch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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