JMFP Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 We have an embarrassment of riches at DL. If there's one position that could entice someone to deal a good CB, it would be for a great DE. I'm thinking Osi's status might have changed tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYG Hampton 27 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 There once was a lot of CB depth, just sayin... But I see your point, Joe. He could be on the block now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 There once was a lot of CB depth, just sayin... But I see your point, Joe. He could be on the block now. I don't want to just give Osi away.....but somewhere in the NFL there is a team with a crappy pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Osi to the Dolphins for Will Allen + a 3rd and a 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I like T2 as much as the next guy but the sky ain't falling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sky's definitely falling. This cuts out chance at a Lombardi in half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I would guess that Osi doesn't nearly have as much value as we would like....I think we'd have a hard time finding a team to give us even just a 3rd for him.....aging, injury prone, and fairly one dimensional pass rusher, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Doubt he gets traded, still a valuable member of the team. We've been spoiled over the last few years with the number of productive DE's we've drafted or signed. Umenyiora is definitely worth a first or second round pick simply because he is a proven threat on the line. Plenty of teams in need of a pass rushing DE of Umenyiora's quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I bet Reese's line of thinking is that an incredible pass rush will mask our secondary's deficiencies. But truth be told, a corner tandem of Ross and Webster with Prince hopefully stepping in by mid-October isn't the worst thing in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlb37 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 T2 getting hurt was probably the single worst injury we could sustain at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I am deflated. I do think a HEALTHY Ross is a good CB. T2 is a very good to great CB, though. I just hope Coe or Witherspoon is up for this challenge. And I really hope that Prince is on the fast track to getting healthy, and he is as good as his draft position suggests. Prince really is the key in all this. If we get him back before the bye week, and he's ready to play and gets sufficient reps to know what he's doing out there prior to the 2nd half of the schedule, AND he's really good, we can absorb the loss of T2 and still make a big run. But we can't afford another injury there. I know this, if they are thinking Joe Burnett must step up, they might as well resign CC Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Joe, it might be better just to sign a corner like Kelvin Hayden or Lito Sheppard to strengthen the group. I'm not a fan of Lito, but we need a proven corner to play the nickel and to provide insurance in the case of another injury. The chances of us going through the entire schedule without another corner getting hurt is unlikely. As for a trade scenario, look at the Buccaneers. Aqib Talib hasn't actually been a model citizen, but his trial for the assault charge doesn't start until after the season. There is no doubt that Talib is a stellar, top tier corner. Osi would seem to be a fit on the Bucs. Right now, they have a guy named Michael Bennett starting at DE as the number 1 guy on the depth chart. He was waived by the Seahawks in 2009 and he had only 1 sack and 13 tackles last year despite playing in 13 games (2 starts). The Bucs have Da'Quan Bowers behind him, but he's a rook, and Adrian Clayborn, another rook, is projected to start on the other side. A Osi for Talib deal could be beneficial for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 dp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlb37 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I am deflated. I do think a HEALTHY Ross is a good CB. T2 is a very good to great CB, though. I just hope Coe or Witherspoon is up for this challenge. And I really hope that Prince is on the fast track to getting healthy, and he is as good as his draft position suggests. Witherspoon left the game with a knee injury as well. ( punt late in the 3rd or early 4th ). I don't know anything more though. It is really hard to envision Prince giving us much this year. There was no rookie mini camp or OTAs and he only practiced twice in camp. The good news is that we actually look like we have kids that can play some LB. Jones and Herzlich where both really active last night. I though Bass looked much better as well. The Deon Grant signing is huge right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Ross looked really good last night, much better than the first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I am deflated. I do think a HEALTHY Ross is a good CB. T2 is a very good to great CB, though. I just hope Coe or Witherspoon is up for this challenge. And I really hope that Prince is on the fast track to getting healthy, and he is as good as his draft position suggests. Prince really is the key in all this. If we get him back before the bye week, and he's ready to play and gets sufficient reps to know what he's doing out there prior to the 2nd half of the schedule, AND he's really good, we can absorb the loss of T2 and still make a big run. But we can't afford another injury there. I know this, if they are thinking Joe Burnett must step up, they might as well resign CC Brown. Dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Ross looked really good last night, much better than the first game. Agreed but he's injury prone.. with his pulled groins and pulled quads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Dude? You caught the sarcasm, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 You caught the sarcasm, right? Yea I did... There are a few names that are not to be uttered. The mere mention of those names brings back horrible memories. That dude is one of them... the other one shaves the same last name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Joe, it might be better just to sign a corner like Kelvin Hayden or Lito Sheppard to strengthen the group. I'm not a fan of Lito, but we need a proven corner to play the nickel and to provide insurance in the case of another injury. The chances of us going through the entire schedule without another corner getting hurt is unlikely. As for a trade scenario, look at the Buccaneers. Aqib Talib hasn't actually been a model citizen, but his trial for the assault charge doesn't start until after the season. There is no doubt that Talib is a stellar, top tier corner. Osi would seem to be a fit on the Bucs. Right now, they have a guy named Michael Bennett starting at DE as the number 1 guy on the depth chart. He was waived by the Seahawks in 2009 and he had only 1 sack and 13 tackles last year despite playing in 13 games (2 starts). The Bucs have Da'Quan Bowers behind him, but he's a rook, and Adrian Clayborn, another rook, is projected to start on the other side. A Osi for Talib deal could be beneficial for both teams. Talib is going to be suspended by the league, and after the Plax fiasco, well this guy could be worse. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Now that we've lost Austin for the season, all of a sudden we are less deep on the DL....so that might scratch any more talk about Osi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Talib is going to be suspended by the league, and after the Plax fiasco, well this guy could be worse. No way. Perhaps he will. But his trial isn't until after the season, and he has maintained his innocence. Goodell may suspend him anyway, which will be met with an automatic appeal by the Players Association. He could be another Pacman Jones, who knows, but one thing is for certain, the guy is a baller. Speaking of Pacman Jones (I'm getting desperate, aren't I?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I bet Reese's line of thinking is that an incredible pass rush will mask our secondary's deficiencies. But truth be told, a corner tandem of Ross and Webster with Prince hopefully stepping in by mid-October isn't the worst thing in the world. this is true in 2007 a NY team won the Super Bowl with those two fellows at CB.....how bad could they be..... well neither will make 100 tackles, but if the RBs are getting that far we are going to have to overhaul the front 7 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelmo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 this is true in 2007 a NY team won the Super Bowl with those two fellows at CB.....how bad could they be..... well neither will make 100 tackles, but if the RBs are getting that far we are going to have to overhaul the front 7 again Not really. Sam Madison was our other CB. -Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Doubt he gets traded, still a valuable member of the team. We've been spoiled over the last few years with the number of productive DE's we've drafted or signed. Umenyiora is definitely worth a first or second round pick simply because he is a proven threat on the line. Plenty of teams in need of a pass rushing DE of Umenyiora's quality. He may be worth a 1st or 2nd to US, but I'm fairly certain if they could have traded Umenyiora for a 1st at any point last season, or especially the past month or so, the Giants would have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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