Martin Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 With Toomer and Plax gone what where is there veteran leadership at WR? If you dont keep Tyree than it would be Steve Smith. I'm sorry but Tyree is very much needed this particular year. There are way too many young guys at WR not to keep him. Tyree is a probowl ST player. He makes plays when he plays. He is able to give the young WR's some stability in a lockeroom thats gonna need him. He is a proven NFL football player and to replace an unproven talent over a proven talent is just crazy. No! Tyree stays !! The great and powerful OZ has spoken!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 i agree with keeping tyree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 i agree with keeping tyree ya never know what can happen though. over the years (and I dont want to date myself) I have seen some werd decisions made by the Giant front office. With jerry reese i think we see stable decisions. I hope so anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Unless he gets into trouble off the field, there's absolutely 0% chance Manningham gets cut. He's the most natually talented receiver on our roster, and I'm not sure there's a close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Not to say Tyree isn't valuable, but our front office's ability to populate the bottom third of the roster with competitive, versatile athletes makes him somewhat expendable. In 2005, we really needed a dynamite ST presence like Tyree. Today, we have guys like Hixon, T2, Dockery, MJ, DeOssie, Goff, Kehl, etc. to step up on coverage units, which really loosens the stranglehold Tyree previously had on a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 yeah i was going to say thomas is really the biggest reason why tyree is expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Not to say Tyree isn't valuable, but our front office's ability to populate the bottom third of the roster with competitive, versatile athletes makes him somewhat expendable. In 2005, we really needed a dynamite ST presence like Tyree. Today, we have guys like Hixon, T2, Dockery, MJ, DeOssie, Goff, Kehl, etc. to step up on coverage units, which really loosens the stranglehold Tyree previously had on a roster spot. Thats where the "we will see" part comes in. His ST talent as you mention isnt as big a deal now. I do think his leadership role might keep him around but you gotta believe that the object here is to formulate a great receiving core for Eli and noone is locked in at the bottom 3rd. Its hard to get rid of the guy who made "the catch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Thats where the "we will see" part comes in. His ST talent as you mention isnt as big a deal now. I do think his leadership role might keep him around but you gotta believe that the object here is to formulate a great receiving core for Eli and noone is locked in at the bottom 3rd. Its hard to get rid of the guy who made "the catch" Being a leader -- assuming he's perceived as such -- only goes so far when there are six or seven better players at your position. If the young guys outplay him, no amount of leadership or intangibles will save his roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Being a leader -- assuming he's perceived as such -- only goes so far when there are six or seven better players at your position. If the young guys outplay him, no amount of leadership or intangibles will save his roster spot. With the loss of the 2 starters it makes it even more pronounced. Young guys beating out vets are a good thing something you dont see too often on the Giants. My money (no pun there) is on Tyree though. Again we shall see. It will be an exciting camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 With the loss of the 2 starters it makes it even more pronounced. Young guys beating out vets are a good thing something you dont see too often on the Giants. My money (no pun there) is on Tyree though. Again we shall see. It will be an exciting camp. Being around for awhile doesn't make him experienced or accomplished. He has 54 career catches; Steve Smith surpassed that total last season alone, while Domenik Hixon put up 43 catches in basically half a season. He's never been a good receiver, so it's hard to see what pearls of wisdom he could possibly pass along to younger players, many of whom are already better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I agree, he'd want to be at least a regular starter before being seen as any kind of leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Being around for awhile doesn't make him experienced or accomplished. He has 54 career catches; Steve Smith surpassed that total last season alone, while Domenik Hixon put up 43 catches in basically half a season. He's never been a good receiver, so it's hard to see what pearls of wisdom he could possibly pass along to younger players, many of whom are already better than him. Given his limited opportunities he has done well for himself and put himself in Giant history with one play. He has also made some great special team play as well. I do understand your thought process here and if other players out play him in camp than its over. He has not had the kind of opportunities that he will have going foward. Losing 2 starters gives every receiver a huge opportunity to make this team. I think if its a close call between him and another player than he should still be a NYG! If another player clear beats him out than we carry on without him. Do I have loyality to a player that made a phenomenal catch in the closing minutes of a S-Bowl win? Yes I do. I hope he beats out his competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Given his limited opportunities he has done well for himself and put himself in Giant history with one play. He has also made some great special team play as well. I do understand your thought process here and if other players out play him in camp than its over. He has not had the kind of opportunities that he will have going foward. Losing 2 starters gives every receiver a huge opportunity to make this team. I think if its a close call between him and another player than he should still be a NYG! If another player clear beats him out than we carry on without him. Do I have loyality to a player that made a phenomenal catch in the closing minutes of a S-Bowl win? Yes I do. I hope he beats out his competition. I think we all share a sense of loyalty to him; however, several important contributors to the Super Bowl team have moved on. It's just the nature of sport. He'll always have that SB catch, but the truth is that there are probably six receivers on the team that are more talented than him. In the past, he's proven to do well in a reserve capacity...he's also proven that he cannot be anything more than that. Maybe we keep 7 WRs, but I think Tyree is really on the outside looking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ummmm....thats pretty much, everyone here. Well.. (yelling) You All ARE WRONG.. Wrong I tell ya.. Wrong.. Ok, what are we talking about here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 Well.. (yelling) You All ARE WRONG.. Wrong I tell ya.. Wrong.. Ok, what are we talking about here? LOL.....You asked who was saying Tyree will be gone, and that was my reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 LOL.....You asked who was saying Tyree will be gone, and that was my reply. Well.. I yaa.. I yaa ?!!! Like a Republican... I got nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYG Hampton 27 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Like a Republican... I got nothing The gov't took it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 The gov't took it all? You ain't lyin' :brooding: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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