xxi-xxv Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Clearly gets an extension. Guy did such a good job this year its mind boggling to think where he was 12 months ago. Our best coach since Parcells IMO and quite possibly(with the exception of stopping the 3 peat in 1990 in San Fran)this may have been the best playoff coaching job by a Giant coach EVER. Beating three teams on the road, including the #1 and #2 seeds. As good a job as we may ever see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Does this put an end to the Coughlin/Fassel debate already? Or do the Fassel supporters still claim that he took us to a Super Bowl, too, so Coughlin has to win to be considered better? To me, it's a no brainer. This is a much better team than Fassel ever coached, and it's not because of the talent level. We have eliminated the stupid penalties, which were a trademark of the Fassel era, and that in itself makes Coughlin a better coach (not to mention the playoff appearances, Super Bowl, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditto Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Does this put an end to the Coughlin/Fassel debate already? Or do the Fassel supporters still claim that he took us to a Super Bowl, too, so Coughlin has to win to be considered better? To me, it's a no brainer. This is a much better team than Fassel ever coached, and it's not because of the talent level. We have eliminated the stupid penalties, which were a trademark of the Fassel era, and that in itself makes Coughlin a better coach (not to mention the playoff appearances, Super Bowl, etc.). We wouldn't even be having this conversation of Eli didn't come out of his shell. Not that I'm a Fassel fan, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 That's a fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Does this put an end to the Coughlin/Fassel debate already? Or do the Fassel supporters still claim that he took us to a Super Bowl, too, so Coughlin has to win to be considered better? To me, it's a no brainer. This is a much better team than Fassel ever coached, and it's not because of the talent level. We have eliminated the stupid penalties, which were a trademark of the Fassel era, and that in itself makes Coughlin a better coach (not to mention the playoff appearances, Super Bowl, etc.). It won't end the debate. Coughlin is here 4 years, Fassel was here 7. It's not a no brainer at all. I already acknowledged Coughlin had a good season and he deserves an extension. But to say that it took 3 1/2 season to eliminate penalties (which have been a trademark of the Coughlin era so far also), does not make Coughlin better. Plus the talent level is beter now, no question. To consider otherwise is ridiculous, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Does this put an end to the Coughlin/Fassel debate already? Or do the Fassel supporters still claim that he took us to a Super Bowl, too, so Coughlin has to win to be considered better? To me, it's a no brainer. This is a much better team than Fassel ever coached, and it's not because of the talent level. We have eliminated the stupid penalties, which were a trademark of the Fassel era, and that in itself makes Coughlin a better coach (not to mention the playoff appearances, Super Bowl, etc.). To me, the mark of a good coach is it's special teams. So far Coughlin's special teams have been far superior than Fassel's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeef2 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Plus the talent level is beter now, no question. To consider otherwise is ridiculous, I'm sorry. Here's where we disagree. I think Coughlin has done a great job of developing the talent that has been provided. I think Fassel had some very talented players, he just wasn't real good at getting the most out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Here's where we disagree. I think Coughlin has done a great job of developing the talent that has been provided. I think Fassel had some very talented players, he just wasn't real good at getting the most out of them. We never aggressively pursued free agents in the Fassel era like we do now. One season they went haywire and started picking up guys like Lomas Brown etc the year we went to the superbowl;, but that was pretty much it. Ernie would never have traded for a QB like he did for Eli. The Giants philosophy for free agency changed drastically when Coughlin came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 A big difference is that Coughlin has had us in at least the playoffs in every yr he's been here. Cant say the same for Fassel in his first 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 21, 2008 Author Share Posted January 21, 2008 The year that the Giants went to the Super Bowl in 2000, this years team would have done the same. The NFC was so weak that year in was pathetic and in actuality, the Giants lucked out when the Rams were beaten in RD1, they would have beaten the Giants in the divisional round in 2000, no question. The 2000 team also had plenty of free agents, three along the O-line(Zeigler, Brown, Parker) and 2 on defense(Barrow and Thomas, who sucked, but started nonetheless). I am not debating the Fassel thing here, but there is no question that Coughlin is a far superior coach to Fassel. I do not even think it is debateable at this point. Coughlin has proven he is in the upper echelon of NFL coaches, quite frankly comparing him to a guy who cannot even get a coordinators job is an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxi-xxv Posted January 21, 2008 Author Share Posted January 21, 2008 The Giants philosophy for free agency changed drastically when Coughlin came in. Not this year, as they signed a grand total of 1, LB Kawika Mitchell, whom no one wanted for 1 year and 1 million. I do not think the free agent philosophy changed as much as they figured out how to manage the cap and keep their own players, that was always the issue, overpaying our own free agents and having no room left over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uconngiants Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I am defiently taking coughlin over fassel even though i was not a huge coughlin supporter when he was originally hired. I do not belive that fassel ever made the playoffs back to back this is the third consecutive year in the playoffs now and we are going to the superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 I think they both proved that you need a good staff of assistants and a good QB to be a 'genius' coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I think they both proved that you need a good staff of assistants and a good QB to be a 'genius' coach. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 We never aggressively pursued free agents in the Fassel era like we do now. One season they went haywire and started picking up guys like Lomas Brown etc the year we went to the superbowl;, but that was pretty much it. Ernie would never have traded for a QB like he did for Eli. The Giants philosophy for free agency changed drastically when Coughlin came in. Not picking a fight with you, Boo, but did we get Collins as trade or FA? I don't remember. I think they both proved that you need a good staff of assistants and a good QB to be a 'genius' coach. That they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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