Sephiroth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synarT62TPA

His rookie year he sure wasn't. He got manhandled at Guard but next season was a pretty good RT. The year after that he moved to LT and was a borderline Pro Bowler till his last season and a half (when he became the human false start machine). I'd take it over Beatty's season and a half of decent play.

Not for nothing, but this line Reese has put together for the past 4 seasons or so would get anyone not named Manning on IR... and Eli almost was last year. That week 16 injury would have ended his season in week 12. Career wise? Yeah. If I was giving letter grades to each guy: Beatty - C Richburg - B- (but admittedly has potential to be very good) Walton - C- Jerry - D- Pugh - B- On the other hand, I'd have given those other guys these grades: Pettitgout - B - Lucier - C (similar problem to Richburg in that he's a center who played out of position) Bober - B- Diehl - A- Allen - D I'm not saying its a huge upgrade, but honestly? Yeah, I'd take that second group.

With the Giants topping the charts in injuries every year for the past decade, it almost makes you think the strength and conditioning coach's methods are outdated and maybe its time for... actually, nevermind. No, that would just be crazy. You don't just fire someone who's been a conditioning coach for 30 years just because 1/3 of your team is on IR every year.

I posted this in the "Reece's Pieces" thread but I'll re-post here too. Interesting how injured the Giants are each year.

I'd take that line over this one in a second. All those guys except Allen were decent to good players.

I'm fine with a new GM blowing the first pick assuming that he'll probably get something out of the rest of the draft... something Reese sucks at. JR gets you a good first rounder and then goes on to pick the Clint Sintims, Jayron Hoselys, and Adrien Robinsons of the world.

Ok, lets put it another way then. Diehl Seubert O'hara Snee McKenzie Those are the guys Reese was dealt. Name the player that he replaced with someone of equal caliber. This is clearly going in the wrong direction.

Holy shit I remember that. I'd also say Cruz tearing his patellar tendon is akin to Mankind having his teeth end up coming through his nostrils.

It IS a bit of an exaggeration. But lets put it this way: we have one adequate guy on the O-line and four question marks. Last year? We had one adequate guy on the O-line and four question marks. Reese has had his chances to fix this shit, and we're getting WORSE results. We're not one or two guys away... right now we've got Eli, Beatty, Jennings, and Beckham as "sure things," and honestly you don't really know what you're getting out of those guys week to week, especially when you factor in how injured three of them are. And for the members of the board saying "keep Reese and Coughlin because you don't know what's out there to replace them with..." that is a LOSER'S mentality. Honestly, that's the most pathetic reason I've ever heard to keep ineffectual people in their jobs. THAT mentality is what keeps Moore on the bench... because the Giants "don't know what they have..." and keeps a scrub like Kiwi in the lineup.

Exactly. To be successful, Eli needs an o-line, #1 receiver, and a decent running game. This offense is at least 8 players away from that, and Eli is 34 years old. By the time this gets rebuilt he'll be 37... and it'll be time to find someone else anyway. As you say, I'm fine paying him #11 - #15 QB money if he wants to stay, but this top 5 crap isn't going to fly for a team in full rebuilding mode... and to those of you that think we don't need to go full rebuilding mode, take a look at our record over the past 5 seasons and tell me if this is heading in the right direction... and this is the year AFTER we turned over 50% of our roster.

This isn't enough. This team is a total shit storm from top to bottom. Reese definitely has to go, and Coughlin has to go. Eli can play out the last year of his contract, but we should start grooming the next guy behind him. He's not the future, and by the time our team is rebuilt he'll be ready to retire as well.

I knew it too after the San Francisco game. This era of Giants football is over.

It doesn't matter who the coordinator is so long as Reese is still making the picks. This roster has more holes than could possibly be patched up in a season.

If this was a one-game thing I'd say you guys were right. Its not. This team has not scored points in the second half of games for the entire season, 3 game win streak notwithstanding. At halftime my fiancee was commenting about how good they looked. I replied to her to not worry, we wouldn't score more than 6 points in the second half. Injuries are an issue, yes. But when you're beaten in the second half of games week in and week out, it means the other team is making halftime adjustments and your team is not... and that's bad coaching. If injuries are the big issue we wouldn't be hanging 21 on two teams for two weeks in a row in the first half of games. This guy is pretty bad.

How many times do we have to get shut out in the second half of games before you all realize this guy fucking sucks?

He'll definitely push for some NFL caliber linebackers, that's for sure.

Fewell has shit players, to be sure. But fucking A... what uncreative schemes. You ever see a delay blitz? A stunt? A corner blitz? Dude is as vanilla as they come. He's a B- to C+ coordinator. He does what he can with the JaQuain Williamses on the team but he certainly can't mask their weaknesses.

The Giants are a formerly great team that is clearly in decline. They haven't looked good now for about three seasons. The Jags, on the other hand, are quite interesting. They have the league's youngest team, and are third in sacks. They have a young QB, WR, and RB and are clearly trying to build towards next year. The Giants, on the othe hand... well, who knows what the Giants are? It will be interesting to see who comes out on top. A once-great team or a promising young one.

Yeah, but its Jerry Palmieri's program so there's a 50/50 shot he ends up on IR.

How bad is he? I don't watch any games besides Giants ones anymore.

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This. The staple of poor coaching is getting outplayed in the second half. Take a look at the Giants' performance in the second half this year and what that says about the coaching.

I was thinking the same thing. "What a great player he's going to be! Oh yeah... until he gets a knee, and an ankle, and a quad injury to go with that hamstring."