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Well, he's up to 9.5 sacks. Good to see he can make impact plays when nobody is watching and it doesn't really count towards anything but a big contract. Nicely done.

Helen isn't working with much, but she really knows how to shake her little can.

The only way I'd possibly be cool without a total house clean would be: 1. Reese goes and takes Marc Ross with him. 2. We hire a young DC or a guy like Spags and let him fight it out with McAdoo to replace TC when he retires. 3. Fewell and the entire conditioning staff goes. Even then, I still think its a horrible idea. Why not just clean house and start fresh?

Somebody who doesn't have to replace their personnel, offense, defense, and special teams in a 12-month period I think would do the trick.

I definitely see the merit to that in an Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre kind of way but with so many holes all over the place I think you'd have to look at OL, LB (as usual), or Safety first. In other words, best player available. However, if we got a new GM (please God), you might see him want to bring in his guy for the future

Guaranteed this is what we get: 1. Fewell is gone. Because, you know, Strength and Conditioning and Special Teams have historically been awesome under Coughlin, and that'll fix everything. 2. Reese stays. Odell Beckham totally makes up for the 2008-2011 drafts... because one great pick is the same as 28 shitty ones. 3. We go 8-8 next year. Progress!

THIS is why I hope we get blown out in the last two games. Wins against the Titans and Redskins does not mean you deserve to be back.

Yeah I've always kind of liked Kiwi too. Good trooper, never bitches about anything, and while he was never a Pro Bowler he gave us plenty of solid years.

Kiwi can't play the run either. I'd rather stick with the guy with upside than the 10-year vet if their performance is similar.

Agreed. When Reese took over, you had a franchise QB in place, one of the greatest O-lines ever assembled on the club, difference-makers like Antonio Pierce and Osi Umenyiora, and a very good receiver in Plax Burress. Those are all players who produced over multiple seasons; players the team could build around... and that's not even counting the solid guys like Corey Webster, Derrick Ward, etc. Reese? Right now he's gotten us two solid-to-good corners, a fantastic slot WR, another receiver who looks like the real deal, a tenacious running back for about six years, and... that's about it. Even his big "hits" (JPP and Nicks) were more flashes in the pan than franchise players. Not just that, but many of those Accorsi guys still haven't been replaced. Granted, its tough to replace a Strahan, but who's taken over for Pierce? For Osi? What member of the O-line is better than the guy he replaced? These aren't guys you build around. Yeah, we had some injuries. Do you know who else had injuries? Every team in the league. The Colts are the league's most injured team every year and they still seem to always make the playoffs... Seattle and the Cowboys both have more players on IR this year than the Giants, and they're both competitive. JR needs to go. By almost any metric, he's terrible.

Look, I posted this in another thread (and flippantly here) but here's the deal: If we fire Fewell and Quinn, who both admittedly need to go, the Giants will be saying this: in the past 12 months, the offense, defense, and special teams aren't good enough. However, none of that is Coughlin's fault. Also, we had four years (2008-2012) of shit show drafting and a free agent class this year with more busts than players, but none of that is Reese's fault. Sorry, but I just don't believe that.

Its true. The offense, defense, special teams, and personnel are all horrific, but none of that is Tom Coughlin's fault.

I admire his tenacity, but he looks more like a guard to me. Those feet are really, really slow, and he won't be able to overpower everyone in the pros.

I'll tell you what, that D-line is going to get Eli fucking killed in two weeks.

Nas, before last game the Giants O-line was rated 18th in passing as per Pro Football Focus. The run grade? 31st. This is more than one player away.

So going into the draft, all we really need is 2-4 O-linemen, a DE or possibly 2, at least 2 linebackers, another WR, and two safeties. Why is Jerry Reese employed again?

Not for nothing, but those sites don't seem worth the hassle. I tried doing the online free stuff and you spend as much time getting rid of pop-ups and uninstalling toolbars as you do watching the game (which get taken down every 20 minutes or so).

Darwka? Wasn't that the guy John Lithgow voiced in "Shrek?" Too short to be a RB.

If Reese and Coughlin are both here next year, I won't be watching football. I live in New Hampshire. To watch Giants games, its cost me 400 bucks these past two seasons... 400 bucks to watch this total, embarrassing shit show week after week. No fucking way I'm doing that again.

Here's the problem: she's a year too late. We tried the "keep everything in place, but change the periphery" thing last offseason and this year, we're actually worse. I mean, in 12 months time we'll be saying to Reese and Coughlin, "hey guys, we're in pretty good shape... except we had to change the offense, defense, special teams, and turn over 2/3rds of the roster. Aside from that, everything's fine." Does anybody actually believe that? What other successful team in sports is run that way? Bite the bullet, bring out the brooms, and clean house.

Here's my case for Cowher: 1. He'll provide a stable element to the team. Lets be honest... we need a new GM, a new head coach, and probably about 50% of the starters need to be replaced. Cowher is a guy that can come in and build a program. That ring on his finger gives him instant credibility, and we're going to need , someone who's "been there, done that," so that the new GM (I hope at least) can get his feet under him. Cowher's the man for the job. 2. He knows the Maras. Its no secret he's wanted this job for a long time. Cowher knows the Maras personally and in the past has expressed his desire to be in blue. It won't simply be a matter of a pay raise; he wants to be here. There also won't be any question as to how things are done in the Meadowlands... he knows the drill. 3. He can win with shitty rosters. Tell me what these players have in common: Mike Tomczak, Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox. Well, those were the QBs that Cowher all took into the playoffs. Yeah, I know he "never won the big one" for 13 years, but when that's who your GM is trotting out to play the most important position on the field, what do you expect? The fact he had winning records alone is a miracle, and he was three Neil O'Donnell picks away from beating the Aikman, Smith, and Irvin holy trinity in the Super Bowl. The first year he got a decent QB on the team? Well, he won the Super Bowl with a rookie Ben Roethlisberger. Not just that, but the Pittsburgh roster was raided literally EVERY year... and every year he'd develop new talent and put a competitive team out on the field. 4. His brand of football is Giants football. Like power running? How about Barry Foster, Bam Morris, Chris Fuatu-Ma'afala, or some guy named Jerome Bettis? Wish you could trade Larry Donnell for a Heath Miller or Eric Greene-type guy? This is the man for the job. You want linebackers? How about Levon Kirkland, Chad Brown, Kevin Greene, James Farrior, Greg Lloyd, or James Harrison? Fucking shit, when was the last time we had a Larry Foote-caliber linebacker on the team? Cowher's teams are built on the interior line, with linebackers, running backs, and TEs... Giants football. 5. He won't hold on to coaches that suck because they're "his guys" or whatever. He fired Tim Lewis when he posted the 1st, 7th, 7th, and 9th ranked defenses in Pittsburgh. Enough said. TO WHATEVER IMGRATE REPLACES JR... SIGN COWHER NOW!!!!

Here's the problem: history DOES stand by my statement. Zero playoff wins without Belichick... not an opinion, a fact. We can argue semantics all you want... hell, Jim Fassel had John Fox and Sean Payton in his coaching tree... but for all the quotes and bluster, Parcells didn't have much success without his DC.

I stand by my statement. Name one playoff game Parcells won without Belichick as his DC. Parcells' teams weren't bombs away, score 45 points on everyone teams like the Niners were. They were grind the clock and win with defense... BELICHICK's defense. He talks a good game to be sure... he was a really quotable coach... but the dude did shit without Belichick.

Belichick without Parcells? Three rings, and two more Super Bowl appearances. Parcells without Belichick? One playoff appearance, zero wins. Pretty easy to see who carried whom in that partnership.

Belichick made Parcells.