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It's just interesting that all but Brightwell in the draft class can't get on the field this season, particular picks 1-4.

Yeah that's why I'm my estimation, Barkley has a good 2-3 years left where he's in his prime. Gurley also has a lot of tread on those tires by the time he sputtered out. Barkley missed like 20 games in the last 3 years.

The Giants 2021 draft class continues their competition to see who among them can play the least amount of NFL games.

Correction above *Bryce Young, not Bryce Jones. On that note, another thing is I don't think Stroud and Jones are necessarily top tier QBs...Ohio State and Alabama famously can't produce NFL Starting Quarterbacks. Tua was okay I guess but he can't stay on the field. Fields looks marginal. I know these are only recent examples. Will Levis has the best upside and NFL readiness if you ask me, especially if he can cut down on his INTs.

I was thinking the real likelihood that we're likely not going to land Stroud, Bryce Jones, or Will Levis (who are looking like top 10 picks) puts us in a bit of a bind...Jones might be the only viable option at least for next year if we can get him for a reasonable amount. A guy like Anthony Richardson or the kid from BYU could be interesting 2nd or 3rd round options. Anthony Richardson really took a step back this year, after coming into the season being considered a top 10 pick, but either of these guys might be viable 2nd/3rd round developmental options, sitting a year or two behind Jones.

I'd like that too if possible. By the way, on the cap hits, disregard my prior post about RB's. I must have been looking at the wrong thing. Here's the 2023 cap hits for RBs: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/cap-hit/running-back/ Aaron Jones $20M (now that's overpaid) Zeke $16.7M Henry $15.8M Chubb $14.8M Cook $14.1M Mixon $12.8M McCaffrey $12M So if Barkley has a $10-12M cap hit, I believe it's mostly reasonable.

It is a bit of an odd spot for Jones and Barkley to be in, as free agents, and for our team considering I don't know if there's any short term replacements. I just think if these guys stay healthy, if you can get these guys back in the offseason for relatively cheap/modest contracts, I think you have to consider it, but that's just my opinion. If Barkely has a cap hit of $10-12M next year, I'm not overly concerned and don't believe that breaks the bank or inhibits us from bringing on additional players. For Jones, he's not lighting it up or anything, but he's been a decent game manager who's made plays at times, and I don't believe Tyrod Taylor is a suitable starter. Small related note: It would be interesting to see if we can bring back guys like Fabian Moreau, Jihan Ward, and Nick Williams for relatively cheap (like $1-2M)...Wink seems to be able to utilize them well and they're contributing, even if Ward and Williams are only rotational guys. Julian Love is a guy I presume we want to bring back too, but he's going to have a fairly sizable contract.

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It would only hit $16-18M by 2026. Years down the road. For 2022, McCaffrey is $16M Kamara $15M Zeke $15M Dalvin Cook $12.6M Henry $12.5M Nick Chubb $12.2M So a potential $12M cap hit for Barkley in 2023 seems fair.

3 years, though we could structure it so that a cut, if necessary, in year 3 would minimize the cap hit.

Good thing is could probably give him a big contract extension without his 2023 cap number going up all that much. Last I checked it's currently around $9M estimated, so maybe that or $10-11M with a contract extension. .

A contract at $15-$18M per year would be less than half or roughly half of what the franchise QBs are making these days, it would be a relative bargain considering we have no suitable replacement.

Cap hits of around $12-16M over the next 3 years are relatively light for an RB. It's not like he's raking in $25-30M like some of the top tier receivers or defenders. Derrick Henry for instance got what I think is a very reasonable 4 years $48M. This wouldn't be breaking the bank. This is a player though who, if all works out, produces like half your offensive output, and has no suitable replacement.

Barkley, 4 years $60M (structured so his 2022 cap hit is only $12M, and year 4 we'd likely cut him to save $10-$15M in cap space), so it's more like a 3 year $45M contract. Daniel Jones, 3 years, $54M (2022 cap hit of $14M). Assuming we cut Golladay, even after these two potential contracts, we'd still have nearly $30M in cap space.

Yes, that was a good draft class that we got a lot of mileage out of. The 2022 draft class looks promising so far, with good contributions or at least potential from several players. This 2021 draft class though just can't get on the darn field enough, minus Ojulari last year and Brightwell. I don't recall this level of injuries/missed time from a single draft class in their 2nd season. Ojulari looks like he'll return sooner than anyone though.

Yeah I'm not counting these guys out yet, I've just never seen this level/number of draftees from the same draft all off the field in their 2nd season. Going forward for guys like Toney, unless he really turns it on in the 2nd half, while he still has a shot at the roster in 2023, I just think you go into the 2023 offseason not expecting him to be reliable. If he ends up being good, than that's icing on the cake, but you have to fill the roster as if he's not going to be reliable.

I don't think I've ever seen anything like this, where nearly the entire draft class one year later on a team isn't on the field because all but one (Brightwell) are injured, and that's for picks in rounds 1-4...all injured and can't get on the field. It's really remarkable. And then the remaining guy Brightwell is mostly a special teams guy. In general, it looks like Toney, Aaron Robinson, Ellerson Smith, and Rodarius Williams are never going to start for this team, and likely don't have a future here.

If he can get healthy he deserves another shot at showing what he can do, but he really needs to prove himself in the 2nd half of this season, or else I think we plan on moving on without him or with him only as a backup in 2023. I'm again assuming Golladay is gone (cut) in 2023.

We already have a cap hit of $4.2M+ for him in 2023 (but without him on the roster) because of the way we restructured his deal. I can't recall if Getty or Schoen did that. I just can't see us going into 2023 with him taking up a valuable WR roster spot, even if it's like a 1 year $1M minimum deal. He'll also be 30 at that point. Best to move on and rebuild the WR corps.

Yep. I realize it's cliche to over analyze highlight reels, but you can see this guy can clearly get downfield and separate. The first few plays are against a crap team, so skip to after the 2 min mark. Also watch Will Levis, potential 1st rounder, sling it.

I'd like to see Kafka and Daboll use him in more downfield routes. Kentucky, unlike Nebraska, had him doing this in his final year of college and he excelled at it. He's more than just a gimmick WR and more than just screens, bubble routes, gadget plays, etc.

NFL Teams are going to trade for a guy who's frequently injured, currently injured with two bum hamstrings, doesn't show for OTAs, and has done little to nothing so far? I just don't see it. Maybe a 3rd rounder at best, but I'd expect that's a stretch.

Thibs!

Nice, thanks

I'm out of market and can't watch. What did Peters do?