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Davis is an interesting prospect I brought up before the draft (I had us taking him in the 6th or 7th). Former QB turned WR... big body, ran a good 40 too. I hope we can keep him on and run 3 to 4 wildcat or option-read plays per game with him at the helm.

Commie! Ahh, doesn't that feel like we're back to normal?

Bleedin, you're a stud for gathering and posting all this information. Thanks Man! I'd be lost without it.

I grade you a big F for berating me Kidding aside, there's a lot to like in this draft, but also some not to like. Pugh will be a decent player, but was a reach at 19. The Hankins pick at 49 was fantastic, I really like him. Moore at 81 is a great value pick. Somewhat of a boom or bust player, but at 81, the risk is absolutely worth it. The move for Nassib has me scratching my head, but I'm ok with it as it's only a fourth rounder. Taylor, Herman, and Cox are intriguing prospects, and I think they will all find a way to make the roster and contribute in some way. Overall, I give the giants a B. They had a good, solid draft.

I give it a "To be determined." We really won't know the grade of this draft class until at least three years from now.

These are guys we've signed?

Hos also wasn't a rookie in 1990, and had been in the league several years (and he's better than Carr).

If we had that 1990 offensive line and defense to carry the team, I'd agree with you . On this team at present, Eli is the oil that greases the wheels.

Well, let's put things in some perspective. If Eli goes down for a significant period this year or next, whether it's Nassib or Carr at the helm, it's very unlikely that we'd go to the superbowl or even far in the playoffs. Having said that, let's say we had chosen a different player (non Qb) with our 4th rounder; It's also unlikely that this sole 4th rounder alone would have made such a significant difference this year or next. Home run, immediate impact players in the 4th round are rare (possible, but rare). So people shouldn't be too upset; after all, it's only a 4th rounder.

I've heard he has a heart condition... but what condition is it?

At his Pro Day, scouts were also working him out as an LB. Looks like he can be a hybrid type.

Best case scenario is we turn this guy into a Matt Flynn and trade him two years down the road for a 1st or 2nd rounder

And Mosely

I really liked this giants draft, until this last pick. I think all three of those guys are going to contribute right away, and be starters down the road.

We got raped... gave up our 4th and 6th to move up six spots...for a backup QB.

Not a need... we have a backup QB, and future backup QB's aren't hard to find. For Eli's eventual replacement, that's 4-5 years down the road at least. Surely, in 4-5 subsequent drafts, there would be plenty of QB's to choose from.

Another Eagles fan too... we're stocking up on Eagles fans.

Right, in the above, the curve I explained more resembles an exponential distribution. Either way, still a crapshoot as it's all probability.

Agreed, and all that definitely needs to be taken account. For example the #22 "value" assigned by the draft grid assumes a player of that calibur is even available. For the draft grid to be a perfect representation of actual draft value, it assumes the talent pool available and the team preference corresponds to the grid, which isn't always the case. Like any model or metric, I feel this draft grid metric should be used as a GUIDE to decision making, one of many inputs to take into account, but certainly not as the SOLE metric to base a decision on. I do a lot of regression based models on a daily basis, and I constantly have to tell non-technical people this same principle. I think the slope is more curved in a diminishing value fashion, not a straight line. Or another way of describing is it as you move closer to number 1, the curve bends upward. I'll have to plot it out to be sure.

That's my strategy. It's the mathematician/statistician in me. Using the Draft Value grid, I'm all for maximizing value, and exploiting desperate teams willing to overgive or undertake, such as the vikings and cowboys respectively. From a value point of view, the Patriots and the 49ers made great moves and got the better value.

With the standard Rookie salaries from the new player agreement, likely the Viking's #29 pick's salary is relatively equal to the combined salaries of the four picks they gave away

I really liked the Vikings draft UNTIL they pulled that stunt with #29.... still, Patterson might be a good player.

Yep... and the 49ers have the 61st pick, which is what the Cowboys SHOULD have asked for to make the trade value relatively even, based on the value charts I posted above.

Also, according to Draft Value charts, the Boys got bamboozled in terms of trade value. They traded away #18 overall a 900 in draft value, got back #31 and #74 (600 + 215 = 815). So a big discrepency there. In order for the trade to have been even, Draft Value-wise, is the Cowboys would need the #31 and #60 pick in exchange for the #18: this would be 900 to 900. http://www.draftcoun...Value-Chart.php On the other hand, nice job by the 49ers for raping the Cowboys.

I also don't accept the premise that the GM is infallible... obviously he's not. Several picks haven't worked out for him. On the whole, I trust Reese and he's been very good (can't complain about two SB rings), but he's human and makes mistakes from time to time.